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LOL Forces us nearer to Him? what do you mean by this? How much nearer to God can we get than Him through His Spirit living with in us and us being His temple. Would us that are His want to be anywhere but in His presence?saying you press forward implies you having a say in the matter. what you mean is God monergistically forces you nearer to Him.
Only those whom Christ lives in will be able to persevere.. For it is He who is made strong in our weakness.We are instructed to persevere and endure in scirpture.
Why bother exhorting these actions if we have no choice but to persevere?We press forward to His high Calling.
Only those whom Christ lives in will be able to persevere.. For it is He who is made strong in our weakness.We press forward to His high Calling.
That's an evasion, not an answer.
If we have no choice but to endure, then we really don't need to be told to endure, do we?
what are we to endure?That's an evasion, not an answer.
If we have no choice but to endure, then we really don't need to be told to endure, do we?
Why bother exhorting these actions if we have no choice but to persevere?
Even the nation of Isreal could not endure. No matter how many times they were brought to repentance. What makes one think that they are any better than this? Why could they not endure?That's an evasion, not an answer.
If we have no choice but to endure, then we really don't need to be told to endure, do we?
Well puppet making is just that.. LOL. A person is a slave to something as scripture teaches us. Either sin or righteousness.. those whom are born again are bond servants to the Lord..You could come up with a list of "why bothers" as long as your arm. Why bother with creation, why choosing the Jews, why make a covenant, why any revelation at all, why human history, why Christ's teachings and work on the cross, etc. The Calvinist answer usually comes back "for God's glory". But I say there is no glory to be had or increased by puppet-making.
LOL Forces us nearer to Him? what do you mean by this? How much nearer to God can we get than Him through His Spirit living with in us and us being His temple. Would us that are His want to be anywhere but in His presence?
Do you not love the very presence of God?
Even the nation of Isreal could not endure. No matter how many times they were brought to repentance. What makes one think that they are any better than this? Why could they not endure?
Did Moses endure?
How about Aaron?
Scripture teaches us that we love by the love of God shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Spirit. This is why scripture teaches us that those who do not love do not know God.. How can a sinful man love freely? Can you love God uncondtionally? Can you love anyone unconditionally and give your life for their sin? Freely?if its not my choice, then no, its not Love. The members of the Trinity have eternally loved each other freely. If I cannot love freely then I'm not in the image of God and I cannot love at all.
Thank-you
So, like the EO, Calvinism understands that the image is distorted or covered - is that correct ?
I don't understand the "utter depravity" idea, though.
To me, this suggests that the image is rendered inactive, or that we cannot in any way be "attracted" to God.
Did Moses endure? If I remember correctly Moses did not get to go into the promise land.Did Moses endure?
How about Aaron?What specifically are we to endure?
We are instructed to persevere and endure in scirpture.
Why bother exhorting these actions if we have no choice but to persevere?
Two perspectives:
Metaphysical God keeps us
Physical we have to endure
the meta works within the physical, he tells us so that his will is accomplished concurrently
Then at the moment of conversion, their eyes are opened, they are free to choose to believe in Christ, and God justifies them.
Well in that story you will note that the prodigal son was the son of the Father.i may not be able to love unconditionally, but i certainly have a say in whether or not i love someone or God. did the father of the prodigal son go and grab him from the pig sty and make him return home? or did the prodigal son "come to himself?"
Well in that story you will note that the prodigal son was the son of the Father.He was not a stranger unto this man but was his son. Not all have God as thier Father. Jesus teaches us that..
Predestination is biblical but in the sense that God has chosen certain individuals to be saved.
Now, If God is choosing who is saved then how does that compare with biblical passages that show that we can be saved if we chose and believe in Christ? The Bible says that we have the choice and that all who believe in Jesus Christ will be saved like in John 3:16 and Romans 10:9-10 among others. The Bible never describes God rejecting anyone who believes in Him or turning away anyone who is seeking Him. The only possible answer is that God both predestines and allows those that believe in Christ to be saved. God predestines who will be saved, and we must choose Christ in order to be saved. Both facts are equally true.
ive never heard a Calvinist put it that way before ... my Calvinist roommate from the summer definitely said there is absolutely no choice in the matter.
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