Arminian Vs. Calvinist

[RedTulipMom]

In the spirit of not having everything RCC vs. Non-RCC threads...

Lets discuss the Arminian vs. Calvinist beliefs...

 

[jckstraw72]

Calvinist theology is horrible methinks. i really think its evil (not CalvinISTS but CalvinISM)

 

[simonthezealot]

calvinism is the ONLY theology that takes into consideration the WHOLE of scripture without having overwhelming areas of interpretive challenges...The only people who believe that it is a work of the adversary are the ones whom have not studied it next to scripture.

 

[jckstraw72]

so you believe no one really studied Scripture until John Calvin? Not even St. Augustine, who Calvinists like to point to, denied free will.

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

In the spirit of not having everything RCC vs. Non-RCC threads...

Lets discuss the Arminian vs. Calvinist beliefs...

LOL,


Why this exchange of the "Catholic vs. Protestant" thing for "everyone vs. Calvinists?" How does that bring a new "spirit" to GT? Just refocused the target...


I think this thread belongs in the Soteriology forum, that's where this issue is discussed (I think).


Sadly, Lutherans are left out of this popular discussion since we're neither, lol




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[JerryL]

I think you opened up the same can of worms, you just opened it at the other end. There's usually no more civility in an A vs. C thread than there is in a C vs. P thread, from what I've experienced. Actually, I think a C vs. P thread is safer.

 

[MamaZ]

I believe in predestination.

 

[Sphinx777]

I believe in predestination.

The Calvinistic doctrine of predestination is a doctrine of Calvinism which deals with the question of the control God exercises over the world. In the words of the Westminster Confession of Faith, God "freely and unchangeably ordained whatsoever comes to pass." The second use of the word "predestination" applies this to the salvation, and refers to the belief that God appointed the eternal destiny of some to salvation by grace, while leaving the remainder to receive eternal damnation for all their sins, even their original sin. The former is called "unconditional election", and the latter "reprobation". In Calvinism, men must be predestined and effectually called (regenerated/born again) unto faith by God before they will even wish to believe or wish to be justified.

 

[MamaZ]

The Calvinistic doctrine of predestination is a doctrine of Calvinism which deals with the question of the control God exercises over the world. In the words of the Westminster Confession of Faith, God "freely and unchangeably ordained whatsoever comes to pass." The second use of the word "predestination" applies this to the salvation, and refers to the belief that God appointed the eternal destiny of some to salvation by grace, while leaving the remainder to receive eternal damnation for all their sins, even their original sin. The former is called "unconditional election", and the latter "reprobation". In Calvinism, men must be predestined and effectually called (regenerated/born again) unto faith by God before they will even wish to believe or wish to be justified.

 

[LamorakDesGalis]

Discussion is cool. Though, I'd like to broaden it more - there are more than just Arminian vs. Calvinist views on soteriology.

I'm a Calvinist, according to the theological definition of the term.

Historically there has been a wide range in the views of Calvinists.

These days I think many people confuse HyperCalvinism with Calvinism.


LDG

 

[itisdeliciouscake]

I really can't understand how someone who takes the Bible to be the Word of God can reject the idea of predestination.... it's just everywhere....

 

[DD2008]

I accept the five points of Calvinism as the most accurate representation of what the whole of scripture says.

 

[itisdeliciouscake]

I accept the five points of Calvinism as the most accurate representation of what the whole of scripture says.

I've never really been convinced about limited atonement.

I'm open to both sides of the argument over limited atonement. =)

 

[Sphinx777]

Calvinist theology is sometimes identified with the five points of Calvinism, also called the doctrines of grace, which are a point-by-point response to the five points of the Arminian Remonstrance and which serve as a summation of the judgments rendered by the Synod of Dort in 1619. Calvin himself never used such a model and never combated Arminianism directly.

The points therefore function as a summary of the differences between Calvinism and Arminianism, but not as a complete summation of Calvin's writings or of the theology of the Reformed churches in general. In English, the points are sometimes referred to by the acronym TULIP, though this puts the points in a different order than the Canons of Dort.

The central assertion of these canons is that God is able to save every person upon whom he has mercy and that his efforts are not frustrated by the unrighteousness or the inability of humans.

Link

 

[DD2008]

I've never really been convinced about limited atonement.

I'm open to both sides of the argument over limited atonement. =)

I think the simplest way to think of limited atonement is the understanding that the bible indicates some will go to hell.

This means the atonement while unlimited in sufficiency for everyone is limited in effectivness for everyone because not everyone will go to heaven.

I thought like you as well, but upon further reflection I believe that either everyone is going to heaven or the atonement is limited in some way. So, since the Bible teaches there will be some in hell, I believe limited atonement is the revealed truth but pray for the salvation of all.

 

[chestertonrules]

Calvinist theology is horrible methinks. i really think its evil (not CalvinISTS but CalvinISM)

I agree.

Calvinism turns God into a merciless, unjust arbitrary torturer.

 

[chestertonrules]

I accept the five points of Calvinism as the most accurate representation of what the whole of scripture says.

Scripture tells us that God wants all men to be saved.

That God loves the world.

That God is just.

That Jesus draws all men to himself.

That the Holy Spirit convicts the world of sin.



None of these scriptural truths are compatible with five points calvinism.

 

[DD2008]

Scripture tells us that God wants all men to be saved.

That God loves the world.

That God is just.

That Jesus draws all men to himself.

That the Holy Spirit convicts the world of sin.



None of these scriptural truths are compatible with five points calvinism.

Here is a good link with scripture references on the five points: http://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/onsite/gracelist.html

 

[chestertonrules]

Here is a good link with scripture references on the five points: http://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/onsite/gracelist.html

I've been there many times.

They ignore scriptures that contradict their dogma or they scramble like mad for a reason that the bible doesn't actually mean what it says.

• Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be driven out. And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.
  John 12:31-32

• For since death came through a human being, the resurrection of the dead has also come through a human being; for as all die in Adam, so all will be made alive in Christ.
  1Cor. 15:21-22

• herefore just as one man’s trespass led to condemnation for all, so one man’s act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all. Rom. 5:18

• For God has imprisoned all in disobedience so that he may be merciful to all.
  Rom 11:32

• My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; and he is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
  1 John 2:1-2

• The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him and declared, “Here is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!”
  John 1:29

 

[simonthezealot]

I agree.

Calvinism turns God into a merciless, unjust arbitrary torturer.

The fact the LORD has given anyone the avenue of Christ for salvation shows unending mercy... We are fallen sinful and NOT any good, deserving of eternal damnation