Armenian Orthodox

[Vahan]

The Holy Spirit guided the Council. If God didn't approve, then why are the Armenians unable to bring "Holy Fire" at the Holy Sepulcher?

So the Holy Spirit cannot guide other councils or members of Gods Church ? And about the "Holy Fire" incident and Gods approval, Gods has blessed the Armenians countless times, its the Armenians who were Graced with an Armenian quarter in Jerusalem, which includes Mount Zion. It is the will of God that the Armenians were the first Christian nation in the world. It is the blessed Mountains of Ararat that God was pleased with Noah, which is the homeland of the Armenians. It was God who commanded Saint Gregory the Illuminator the be the Catholicos over Armenia. To make a long story short God Blesses His Churches. It has been the Armenian Church that accepted all our Sister Churches and historically provided protection for our Sister Churches so we can unite as one Church, but is was not the Armenian Church that created seperations among the Churches.


And Tikon can you please tell me which Emperor Justian are you speaking of because there is more than one.

 

[St. Tikon]

So the Holy Spirit cannot guide other councils or members of Gods Church ? And about the "Holy Fire" incident and Gods approval, Gods has blessed the Armenians countless times, its the Armenians who were Graced with an Armenian quarter in Jerusalem, which includes Mount Zion. It is the will of God that the Armenians were the first Christian nation in the world. It is the blessed Mountains of Ararat that God was pleased with Noah, which is the homeland of the Armenians. It was God who commanded Saint Gregory the Illuminator the be the Catholicos over Armenia. To make a long story short God Blesses His Churches. It has been the Armenian Church that accepted all our Sister Churches and historically provided protection for our Sister Churches so we can unite as one Church, but is was not the Armenian Church that created seperations among the Churches.


And Tikon can you please tell me which Emperor Justian are you speaking of because there is more than one.

Justinian...not Justian. And there was only one that I know of.

I was writing of Ecumenical Councils. The Holy Spirit would not contradict itself, by blessing Chalcedon, and giving sanction to a group that is in conflict with that council.

Neither did the Orthodox Church create divisions. Rome left us. The Protestants are all offshoots of Rome.

And the Armenians have NEVER brought forth Holy Fire from the Holy Sepulcher. One famous incident said that Armenians bribed the Turks, and they were unable to bring forth Holy Fire.

Pretty cut & dry I would think.

 

[Vahan]

Justinian...not Justian. And there was only one that I know of.

Justinian the first, started the deportations of the Armenians early 6th century from their NATIVE Armenian homeland.

I was writing of Ecumenical Councils. The Holy Spirit would not contradict itself, by blessing Chalcedon, and giving sanction to a group that is in conflict with that council.

Again the “Byzantines” contradict themselves again.

The Emperor Justinian in his wisdom wished the entire Orthodox World to conform to the formula of Chalcedon, and drove away any who would not.

The Holy Spirit does not contradict itself, I agree, but the “Byzantines” do. Considering the “Byzantines” Emperors Zeno and Anastasius were pro-Armenian and anti-Chalcedonian circa 480. Actually the Armenians were praised by these emperors.

Also I would like to include this :

...that among “Byzantian” military leaders more than eighty were Armenians and among them: Sittas (528), Buz (538), Balisarios (545), Nerses (555) Vardan Mamikonian (571), Smbat Bagratouny (582), Atat Khorkhrouny (601), Vardan Pilick (711), Vasack Patrik (741), Musheg Alex (792), Arshavir Patrik (807., Manuel Mamikonian ("Byzantian Ahiless" 830.), Hobgan Kurkuas (941., conquered 1000 cities and was called "the Greatest"), Mlag (Melios), the "Great" (went down in byzantian epos "Diogonis - Akritas" (934), Vard Skleros (976), Vard Pokas (987), Magistros Bagratouny (990), Grigor Taronatsy (996), Nikapor Tsrviz (1022), Levon - Tornick Bagratouny (1047), and others.


Not to mention the Armenian emperors of the “Byzantine” empire and the Patriarch.

 

[Armenia]

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Armenia,

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Thank you

In Christ

Oblio
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[MariaRegina]

Welcome, Armenia, to CF!

Are you going to use the Orthodox Tri-Bar Cross as your faith symbol?

Erwin has been approving different crosses for different groups of Christians. I've lost count! Perhaps one of our moderators can tell us how many different crosses and symbols are now available.

I ask this because I honestly want to know if you would prefer using an Armenian style cross, chose the one we have now, or prefer another cross. At my state university, there is a vendor who sells Armenian Crosses (of course we have a lot of Armenians in Southern Californai). Personally I prefer the Orthodox Cross used by much of Orthodoxy with the three buds at each end which represent the Holy Trinity. The Tri-Bar Cross is associated mainly with Russian Orthodoxy, isn't it?

Again welcome to TAW! Here are some blessings for a new avatar!

Yours in Christ our God,
Elizabeth

 

[St. Tikon]

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[Armenia]

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[Armenia]

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[MariaRegina]

Vahan and Orthedoxy:

Please tell us about St. Gregory the Illuminator. Let's keep this thread open.

 

[orthedoxy]

Why is it OK to call us (Armenians) not Orthodox in our own forum?
If EO see such importance in attending all the councils then they should join the Roman Catholic Church. I don't see how you can justify only attending 7 councils yet condemn us for attending only three.
It seems EO have a problem with the council of Ephesus which say exact same thing as us Armenians say "One Nature and One Hypostasis of God the Word Incarnate".
Also EO don’t accept the council of chalcedon if the did they would accept this quote from the council "Wherefore the most holy and blessed Leo, archbishop of the great and elder Rome, through us, and through this present most holy synod together with the thrice-blessed and all-glorious Peter the Apostle, who is the Rock and foundation of the Catholic Church, and the foundation of the orthodox faith, hath stripped him (Dioscorus, Bishop of Alexandria) of his episcopate, and hath alienated from him all hieratic worthiness." -- Acts of Chalcedon, Session 3
Or here is a link that shows pope Leo was the first supreme pope.
http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ235.HTM

 

[Orthodox Andrew]

This thread's going to get even more heated. It's been closed.