Armageddon

[Jipsah]

Yeah well that's another possible!

Klingons

 

[imsaneru]

Klingons

Highly unlikely but if drug usage becomes worse than it is now , then Klingons it could be.

 

[Another Lazarus]

It is all referring to the end of the world. When the still living people will get divided up - as wise and foolish virgins/sheep and goats.

Why would Jesus take the wise virgins and leave the foolish virgins behind if its already the end of the world ?

Why would Jesus take one and leave another one if the end of the world already comes?
Matt 24:40 "Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left.

 

[GUANO]

The Bible says nothing about any armies being involved.

It says all the kings of the earth will be gathered to a place which is called in Hebrew "Armageddon". They are led to this "place" by evil spirits. If it were the physical valley of Megiddo it would say so clearly in Greek. This "place" of Armageddon is most likely what we today call a "Summit". That is what the ancient purpose of the fort on Har Megiddo was. It was where the leaders of the tribe of Israel met to discuss political matters every year and this wasn't something that was known of in Greek culture because it was in an empire with a supreme leader. A political conference. The etymology of the word itself also points to this fact. There is no mention that the kings are aware of any battle, it simply says that the spirits lead them there for that purpose. The battle is a spiritual one. Christ also jumps in and says "behold I come as a theif" so if your looking for some obvious sign that literally everyone on earth will understand you're not listening to Christ's warning here. What is the purpose of Christ's second coming? To take ownership of the world. What must happen in order for that to transpire? All the nations and kingdoms and polities of the world are to be dissolved. Where is the vial poured? The Aer, the place where Satan currently rules, the spiritual lower aether or "atmosphere". What happens? There is thundering and lightening in the atmosphere...

1. Voices
Voices are the warnings of the prophets.

2. Thunder...
Thunder is the voice of God, the foreboding of His vengeance upon the nations that disobey His commandments. That is how the prophets define it. It is used in other ways in scripture but we should look specifically to how the word is used in prophecy. It is the warning sign of the coming storm.

3. Lightning
Lightning is the swift judgement of God, it is often called His arrows or His sword. While thunder is the voice, lightning is the Word.

The last warnings going fourth... Then...

4. Earthquake
Earthquakes are political and social upheaval. Revolution. This is always how the prophets define it. The greatest "shaking" the world has ever, or will ever see.

The great city is broken apart... and the cities of the nations fell... this is not some far away battle in the middle east, it is a worldwide social and political cataclysm.

5. Every mountain and Island flees...
The mountains and islands are the kingdoms and governments of the world.... They have now gone bye bye...

6. Hail.
Ezekiel and Isaiah define hail as distress and destruction from God. Particularly it destroys your crops which are the fruits of your labor... everything man has labored to create over the course of 10,000 years of civilization crashes down. We rely on civilization for everything today. Where will the cities get their food and water now that all of society has collapsed? This is the final judgement.

Chapter 17 describes the spirit of Babylon and talks about signs to help in her identification...

Chapter 18 talks about the mourning of the mrrchants and wealthy and goes on to say... "come out of her my people" So when this happens u need to get out of the cities and trust in God to care for you. The world is in a state of "death, mourning, and famine"... The cities become the habitation of evil... and easy to see why.

Chapter 19... Christ returns to be with His Bride who has made herself ready through purification...

Not a pleasant prophecy and no allusion to a rapture in these verses or chapters...

 

[Dave Watchman]

What would cause human beings to want to attack the incoming (return of) Jesus Christ?
Almost every person on the earth knows or has heard of Jesus Christ , and most non Christians see him as either a great prophet or a great teacher of moral values. So why try to kill him when he comes back on the clouds to this earth?

My idea on it is spooky. But I'm positive that we will all be gone by then. We will not be here for this. We will be in the air with Jesus and the angels while this is happening.

Throughout the 42 days the Devil has full authority. He can get away with anything. He can tell the world that he is God and that if they want the trumpets to stop they better do what he says. He and his team can make war on the saints and take all the food and supplies that are available. Life is good for the Antichrist and his 10 kings.

But then at the 7th trumpet they see God's people take to the air and illuminate the stratosphere. All of the remaining tribes of the earth will mourn. They now understand that the two witnesses and 144,000 were right. They are on the wrong end of the stick.

Now the 7 vials begin to be poured out. The Devil's authority is over with. Both the Antichrist and his 10 kings are suffering from the effects of the vials. The Antichrist can do nothing to alleviate his kingdom's pain from the boils. The kingdom of the beast begins to ask the Antichrist, "if you are God, why can't you stop our pain"?

The Devil goes into hiding but sends his three best demons to meet with the ten kings. They explain that the individual who had been claiming to be God, is actually the Devil himself. And that the true God is coming back to kill them all with a sharp sword and a wine press. They'll explain that their only chance at survival is to combine forces. They'll convince the ten kings that with demonic know how and with mankind's military capability, it might be possible to kill their own Creator.

They will be led to believe that it's their only chance.

 

[imsaneru]

My idea on it is spooky. But I'm positive that we will all be gone by then. We will not be here for this. We will be in the air with Jesus and the angels while this is happening.

Throughout the 42 days the Devil has full authority. He can get away with anything. He can tell the world that he is God and that if they want the trumpets to stop they better do what he says. He and his team can make war on the saints and take all the food and supplies that are available. Life is good for the Antichrist and his 10 kings.

But then at the 7th trumpet they see God's people take to the air and illuminate the stratosphere. All of the remaining tribes of the earth will mourn. They now understand that the two witnesses and 144,000 were right. They are on the wrong end of the stick.

Now the 7 vials begin to be poured out. The Devil's authority is over with. Both the Antichrist and his 10 kings are suffering from the effects of the vials. The Antichrist can do nothing to alleviate his kingdom's pain from the boils. The kingdom of the beast begins to ask the Antichrist, "if you are God, why can't you stop our pain"?

The Devil goes into hiding but sends his three best demons to meet with the ten kings. They explain that the individual who had been claiming to be God, is actually the Devil himself. And that the true God is coming back to kill them all with a sharp sword and a wine press. They'll explain that their only chance at survival is to combine forces. They'll convince the ten kings that with demonic know how and with mankind's military capability, it might be possible to kill their own Creator.

They will be led to believe that it's their only chance.

Not a bad theory...

 

[Dave Watchman]

Not a bad theory..

But it IS just a theory.

I'm not dogmatic over it.

It will be interesting to see.

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[Tayla]

Your question reveals a problem with the traditional interpretation of "Armageddon". The problem is that most people think Armageddon is a physical battle.

I reject these teachings: the rapture, the 3-1/2 or 7 year great tribulation, the Antichrist, the 1,000 year millennium, and Armageddon. Yet I do believe Christ will physically return to earth, but slowly over time, and in phases:

1. First as apparitions all over the world seen by everybody.
2. Then zeroing in on Jerusalem.
3. The armies of the would will mobilize for war, in the valley of Meggido...
4. Finally, Christ will touch down on the Mt. of Olives, and...
5. Needless to say, it will be a short war...

 

[LastSeven]

I reject these teachings: the rapture, the 3-1/2 or 7 year great tribulation, the Antichrist, the 1,000 year millennium, and Armageddon. Yet I do believe Christ will physically return to earth, but slowly over time, and in phases:

1. First as apparitions all over the world seen by everybody.
2. Then zeroing in on Jerusalem.
3. The armies of the would will mobilize for war, in the valley of Meggido...
4. Finally, Christ will touch down on the Mt. of Olives, and...
5. Needless to say, it will be a short war...

You say you reject the teachings of Armageddon, but you believe there will be a short war when Jesus comes back. Sounds like a contradiction.

 

[Tayla]

You say you reject the teachings of Armageddon, but you believe there will be a short war when Jesus comes back. Sounds like a contradiction.

Usually Armageddon is in the context of lots of other events, all of which I reject. This is why I'm shy about using the term.

 

[LastSeven]

So then do you have a different name for that "short war"?

 

[DennisTate]

What would cause human beings to want to attack the incoming (return of) Jesus Christ?
Almost every person on the earth knows or has heard of Jesus Christ , and most non Christians see him as either a great prophet or a great teacher of moral values. So why try to kill him when he comes back on the clouds to this earth?

Google the words...... "UFO Temple Mount 2011" ... .take a look at this......
and ask yourself if there could be Watchers.... who did NOT fall because of the daughters of men
as some Watchers did as recorded in Genesis 6?

Daniel 4:17

This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men."

 

[imsaneru]

Google the words...... "UFO Temple Mount 2011" ... .take a look at this......
and ask yourself if there could be Watchers.... who did NOT fall because of the daughters of men
as some Watchers did as recorded in Genesis 6?

Daniel 4:17

This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men."

Yes I remember seeing that UFO over the temple mount , amazing wasn't it!
First thing that came to my mind was "Prince of the power of the air". But what was your reaction to that Dennis ?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

QUOTE="imsaneru, post: 71834631, member: 399365"]What would cause human beings to want to attack the incoming (return of) Jesus Christ?
Almost every person on the earth knows or has heard of Jesus Christ , and most non Christians see him as either a great prophet or a great teacher of moral values. So why try to kill him when he comes back on the clouds to this earth?[/QUOTE
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Rather, as Scripture says, "Almost every person" on the earth is subject to the prince of the power of the air(the devil)
(and has been all along, since long before Jesus was born)

and the whole world refuses to stop worhipping (serving) demons,

and the whole world ALREADY persecutes (daily) the followers of Jesus born again by the Father's Will and set apart by Him for HIS OWN Purpose.....

So if Jesus appeared in most places on earth today, well,
most of the society everywhere is opposed to Him....
as written in GOD'S WORD ....

 

[imsaneru]

Rather, as Scripture says, "Almost every person" on the earth is subject to the prince of the power of the air(the devil)
(and has been all along, since long before Jesus was born)

I was talking about the UFO over the temple mount but doesn't matter I can change that to just saying Satan , I'm very flexible ...

 

[DennisTate]

Yes I remember seeing that UFO over the temple mount , amazing wasn't it!
First thing that came to my mind was "Prince of the power of the air". But what was your reaction to that Dennis ?

That reaction is certainly understandable but.......
the nation of Jordan took some huge generators to the Temple Mount on January 25, 2011, just three days before that UFO event.

I suspect it was UNFALLEN Watchers guarding the Temple Mount so that the prophecies of Ezekiel 40 - 48 could eventually be fulfilled.

Huge Jordanian Generators Sighted on Temple Mount


Should Christians support Rebuilding of Jerusalem Third Temple.

 

[Revealing Times]

What would cause human beings to want to attack the incoming (return of) Jesus Christ?
Almost every person on the earth knows or has heard of Jesus Christ , and most non Christians see him as either a great prophet or a great teacher of moral values. So why try to kill him when he comes back on the clouds to this earth?

So not one person has come close to why they "TRY TO FIGHT JESUS" yet.....

The Answer as usual is in the Scriptures.

What is happening to those who took the Mark of the Beast?

Rev. 16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

So what is a condemned man to do? Once you accept the Mark of the Beast you have no hope, so you of course are desperate, you want to live in the sin you have chosen, so you try and defeat Jesus. They have been hit with MANY PLAGUES by this time, they curse God and hate Him. Also remember they hated the two Two-witnesses also. See Rev. ch 11.

Rev. 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. 10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

They fight him because they have sold their souls to Satan, they have no hope but Satan.

All of the Christians were Raprured. All those that refused to serve the Beast and turned to Christ were KILLED/BEHEADED. All Jews who did not make it to Petra (Wilderness) will be KILLED. The only people who were not killed took the Mark of the Beast !!

Rev. 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

The only ones LEFT at Armageddon have no hope, they are Satan's forever, that is why they fight Jesus.

 

[imsaneru]

So not one person has come close to why they "TRY TO FIGHT JESUS" yet.....

The Answer as usual is in the Scriptures.

What is happening to those who took the Mark of the Beast?

Rev. 16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

So what is a condemned man to do? Once you accept the Mark of the Beast you have no hope, so you of course are desperate, you want to live in the sin you have chosen, so you try and defeat Jesus. They have been hit with MANY PLAGUES by this time, they curse God and hate Him. Also remember they hated the two Two-witnesses also. See Rev. ch 11.

Rev. 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. 10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

They fight him because they have sold their souls to Satan, they have no hope but Satan.

All of the Christians were Raprured. All those that refused to serve the Beast and turned to Christ were KILLED/BEHEADED. All Jews who did not make it to Petra (Wilderness) will be KILLED. The only people who were not killed took the Mark of the Beast !!

Rev. 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

The only ones LEFT at Armageddon have no hope, they are Satan's forever, that is why they fight Jesus.

Yep another good one to consider , thank you RT.

 

[mark kennedy]

What would cause human beings to want to attack the incoming (return of) Jesus Christ?
Almost every person on the earth knows or has heard of Jesus Christ , and most non Christians see him as either a great prophet or a great teacher of moral values. So why try to kill him when he comes back on the clouds to this earth?

Because sin hates God, that's why. Apparently the battle of Armageddon starts with the armies of the Antichrist finally defeating the kings of the east. The Euphrates is dried up earlier and they stomp it dry making their way to this battle. The Antichrist builds his whole kingdom on a single delusion, that they can fight God and win.

Why do the nations rage,
And the people plot a vain thing?
The kings of the earth set themselves,
And the rulers take counsel together,
Against the Lord and against His Anointed, saying,
“Let us break Their bonds in pieces
And cast away Their cords from us.”(Psalm 2:1-3)
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It's over quickly, the Antichrist and the False Prophet are tossed into the lake of fire as a result. They have the dubious distinction of being the first two in the lake of fire, that's some career. 7 years of mayhem and being vaporized in the fires of perdition. That's how sin is in the tribulation, in the world and in you.

Grace and peace,
Mark