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Be fair, AV. Your doctrine is somewhat obscure, even by Protestant standards--you shouldn't be surprised if even some Christians aren't aware of all of it.What I believe isn't the real issue I'm complaining about.
It's when I espouse something someone has never heard before, then take flak for "making it up," when, in reality, it's basic doctrine.
I think those are called "ad hominems," and some are trigger happy to employ them.
Really? I sincerely doubt it. Now one can use the scientific method quite easily to show that your beliefs are false. But refuting a literal interpretation of Genesis does not refute Christianity. Genesis can work as a morality tale. It cannot work as either science or history.I've seen even scholarly people here set the scientific method aside to ridicule the Bible.
They'll preach the scientific method ... until someone brings up something from the Bible ... like basic doctrine ... and there goes the SM out the window.
It's when I espouse something someone has never heard before, then take flak for "making it up," when, in reality, it's basic doctrine.
You are not the sum total of your beliefs .. unless you say you are .. in which case, take a look at what you say, about who you are!What I believe isn't the real issue I'm complaining about.
It's when I espouse something someone has never heard before, then take flak for "making it up," when, in reality, it's basic doctrine.
I think those are called "ad hominems," and some are trigger happy to employ them.
"Miracles" to "magic."Why say that when it doesn't? There's so much in the bible that can be shown to be true. If you want to make a point you can do so without ridiculous exageration. It'll actually carry more weight.
"Miracles" to "magic."
"Child in the womb" to "fetus."
No exodus, no wilderness wanderings, no Abrahamic Covenant, no resurrection ... and I could go on and on and on.
Start here: Post 109Which yet again has nothing whatsoever to do with the matter at hand. But I would certainly be very interested in what you have proposed that no-one has ever heard about. I've been around the block a few times and tend to think I'd heard it all. But over to you for an example...
Ashamed of that Arab phone, are you?Please don't...
Start here: Post 109
I already know what the scientific method is. Quit talking down or get lost.No, there ignorance or dishonesty can always be demonstrated. Creationists unfortunately won't let themselves understand how their heroes lied for them. They won't even let themselves understand the basics of science. If they did they could not support creationism without lying.
Are you up for it? Do you think that you could learn what the scientific method is and the concept of scientific evidence?
We do not even need to bring evolution into the discussion until you get the basics down.
Not all Christians believe in ID, that’s true. But of those who do, it’s only Christians. No one else.No, it confirms it. Why are some Christians not supporting ID? Because it's not specifically a Christian belief.
Um ok? You are just plain wrong.Not all Christians believe in ID, that’s true. But of those who do, it’s only Christians. No one else.
Not all Christians believe in ID, that’s true. But of those who do, it’s only Christians. No one else.
Then what's the point of it? ID doesn't really square with anybody's origins doctrine, not YECs, mainline Protestants or traditional Christians.No, it confirms it. Why are some Christians not supporting ID? Because it's not specifically a Christian belief.
You mean like ontological subordination or diabolical mimicry?Mmm. I was expecting something with more meat ...
Arab Phone, Chinese Whispers, Telephone Game, Grapevine ... take your pick.I have no idea what that means...
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