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Xpistis sopheiaX said:I'm having trouble following what you are saying.
Are you honestly comparing masturbation to child molestation?
I'm having trouble following what you are saying.
Are you honestly comparing masturbation to child molestation?
And yes I'm being serious. I'm not saying everyone should do those things or even want to do those things. I think what married couples consent to is their business. I'm just pointing out that once people start fabricating arbitrary rules there is really no end to it.
I think she was ranting, and getting off topic.
Peace
Sorry for my rant.
To me it is all sin. Simply
The human flesh is out of control that why so much unthinkable badness in the
World.
God bless yous and peace
I want to ask a question, were in bible does it say that priests are allowed or not allowed to molest children?
I have been struggling with this for year and honestly I've come to the understanding that its completely wrong, and undermines Gods plans for you.
I've done some similar research reaching out to ppl and have gotten a lot of different answers but the main thing I had to understand is that I Knew it was wrong, but was looking for that right source or right person with the right words to tell me it's ok, so I can continue. I wasn't ready to give it up hole heartedly.
I believe if your questioning it you know it's wrong and even if it was completely ok, most of us become addicted to these images and they become an idol.
Lust is a sin. The Lord says if you fornicate with her in your mind you have already done it.
Even JOB makes a covent with his eyes not to look at a "lustful" woman.
Just seek scripture and beware ppl that tell you it's nothing to worry about... Even serial killer Ted bundy said the porn made me do it, and was his message to the world to be wary. Not saying touching yourself will lead you to kill, but you can see the extreme negative.
Crazy talk, I struggled with masturbation for 4 years. Then I detached myself from "traditional interpretations" and started searching the scriptures myself. 6 years out from that ridiculous time in my life and i've developed into a balance individual who isn't running to the pews in a fit of self hatred everytime I feel sexual attraction, which, being a young man is all the darn time. Your extreme example is ridiculous, I could say that reading your Bible is dangerous then too, considering all those maniacs in the crusades who cut, sliced, and diced men women and children in the name of God.
God created man and woman, looked us over in all our nakedness and said, oh baby that is GOOD. Seems to me like the Lord smacked a stamp of approval on human sexuality. That includes masturbation, the lovely images of a woman(or man) you see in your head, the attraction, affection, etc. When it becomes wrong is when it becomes abusive, when it starts to exploit others, and believe me there is plenty of that going on without the ghosts of the desert fathers rising up to proclaim positive sexuality to be disgusting.
You want to read the only treatise on human sexuality in the Bible? Read song of songs and look through the symbolism.
Quote: "To me it is all sin." /// Improper thoughts, feeling, and deeds, are sin. If it is harmful to you or others, then that is sin. Your thinking process is to narrow and singular. Can touching yourself be a sin? Yes, absolutly. But that need not be the case. If a person can not touch without sinning, then that would be a problem. Sin and touching yourself do not have to go hand in hand. That is all that needs to be said for people to understand what sin is. It is best to stay out of peoples bedrooms.
What about the fact that it is physically harmful for males to not expel the content of their prostate. And why did God create a [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] for Females?
Eating french fries and candy is harmful to you also. Are they sins?
Peace
Lovely. Smart mouth comment, but to answer your Question.
Gluttony is a a sin.
So is it harmful because I eat like a pig? Masturbation is pleasure, if it is a health thing and doctor says touch or die. I would pray. Like when I had bad anxiety doctor gives medicine I said no. And prayed. I trust God not human words.
That is what I learn from Jesus
Peace in the name of The Lord
You say "peace" yet refer to my comments as "smart mouth"?
The body neither requires animal and/or vegetable fats or sugar to survive. We get pleasure out of the taste of the foods that include them. If we were to just eat to survive, we could be bland food eater's of raw vegetables and cooked beef, etc. But we do consume those things that have been shown to cause harmful effects to the body for the pleasures they provide, even those who become obese through the process. And these obese people will be the first to condemn a smoker, one who masturbates, etc. as a sinner, yet they don't see anything wrong with their own issues.
God gave you a body. He gave you a brain to take care of it. What you do with it is your choice. If you die because you pray instead of taking medicine, that is your choice. When you ask him in death "why didn't you answer my prayer?", he may say "I did. I sent you medicine".
I believe in that. Your point is not bad if you have no faith in God. I don't want to guess with God. I have also used medicine, because I was scared and not ready to die, but lets say 2000 yrs ago . Where there was not flash hospitals. What would I have done then. Prayed and trusted in luck? No people would pray fast for days to get clear answer from. God. Now we pray walk past hospital it's a sign. So why not today pray hard and truly get answers, but who wants to pray for days, when you can walk in hospital. We have brain and make our choices, humans no nothing what's good for them. If they Did why on earth is our planet in such a mess. Is it because we are such good choice makers. no because people are Godless.Jesus is the only way. Please you believe what you believe. And I believe what I believe .
The prostate secretes alkaline and lubricant. Do you mean testis? The [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] is the penis undeveloped in the female due to estrogen. At birth the fetus has estrogen (female). It is up to the development of the brain to add the required amount of testosterone to make a child male of female. In the end, the child becomes dominant in one hormone of the two but always carries both after birth.
The prostate secretes alkaline and lubricant. Do you mean testis? The [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] is the penis undeveloped in the female due to estrogen. At birth the fetus has estrogen (female). It is up to the development of the brain to add the required amount of testosterone to make a child male of female. In the end, the child becomes dominant in one hormone of the two but always carries both after birth.
You have the words fetus and child mixedup. In regards to the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]: If you believe in creation, then the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] is a matter of design; but if you believe in evolution, it is not. There are female species that have no [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse].
Crazy talk, I struggled with masturbation for 4 years. Then I detached myself from "traditional interpretations" and started searching the scriptures myself. 6 years out from that ridiculous time in my life and i've developed into a balance individual who isn't running to the pews in a fit of self hatred everytime I feel sexual attraction, which, being a young man is all the darn time. Your extreme example is ridiculous, I could say that reading your Bible is dangerous then too, considering all those maniacs in the crusades who cut, sliced, and diced men women and children in the name of God.
God created man and woman, looked us over in all our nakedness and said, oh baby that is GOOD. Seems to me like the Lord smacked a stamp of approval on human sexuality. That includes masturbation, the lovely images of a woman(or man) you see in your head, the attraction, affection, etc. When it becomes wrong is when it becomes abusive, when it starts to exploit others, and believe me there is plenty of that going on without the ghosts of the desert fathers rising up to proclaim positive sexuality to be disgusting.
and although I don't have any personal experience as a woman, my suspicion is that women need it to, just not as much as men do.
You want to read the only treatise on human sexuality in the Bible? Read song of songs and look through the symbolism.
In 2003, a study by the Cancer Council of Australia found that frequent [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] appeared to prevent the development of prostate cancer.
Factors that reduce the incidents of prostate cancer include diet and ejaculatory frequency.
I too struggled with masturbation when I was single. My opinon is that most men, especially young men would get nuttier than a fruit cake if they don't get sexual release. So which is worse to go fornicate with a prostitute or girlfriend, or to touch? Even if the bible somehow says masturbation is a sin, it would have to be, for most men, a necessity if they are not married. The b ible says not to be righteous over much why shouldest thou die before thy time. It's far better in my opinion for a man to get sexual release so that sex isn't constantly on his brain, than to not touch and be tempted all day long with even the sight of a female 20 miles away. Let's get real here. Men need sexual release or they go nuts. Probably it's the same for women, just that they don't need sexual release as often as men do. On average, I'd guess once a month for females, and twice a week for males would do the trick.
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