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Arguments for and against masturbation
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Peace
In Australia we had some priests molesting and touching children's privet bits and when a priest walk in on him, he told this man you should really resist, you know what this priest said, God made me like this it is his fault. Godly men?
Now christian married couples doing all sort in their " holy bed" godly people?
I am glad big sin is as big as small sin. To God.
And how much fabrications to allow wrongness and sin.
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Sorry for my rant.
To me it is all sin. Simply
The human flesh is out of control that why so much unthinkable badness in the
World.
God bless yous and peace
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Quote: "To me it is all sin." /// Improper thoughts, feeling, and deeds, are sin. If it is harmful to you or others, then that is sin. Your thinking process is to narrow and singular. Can touching yourself be a sin? Yes, absolutly. But that need not be the case. If a person can not touch without sinning, then that would be a problem. Sin and touching yourself do not have to go hand in hand. That is all that needs to be said for people to understand what sin is. It is best to stay out of peoples bedrooms.
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If you are going to argue logically you can't act offended when someone makes a cogent point that you find offensive.
Even though she ranted, her rebuttal was valid. The people arguing for masturbation, argue that its not mentioned in the bible so it is not a sin. She mentions that child molestation is not mentioned in the bible, and is a sin.
If you are interested in Gods view of the situation you need to deal with this logical point logically or through inspiration, not just mock the person who made it.
Child molestation, is normally a form of extramarital sex, so is condemned in the bible. If an adult married a child (and even discussing this makes me feel revulsion to my core), molestation would still be immoral, because it would be harmful to the child; and a violation of the child's will, because the child couldn't meaningfully consent to it.
We may now note that if anyone suffers from this desire of the flesh , that it is of the kind to be fasted permanently, and that person may do well to become a eunuch.
Even though she ranted, her rebuttal was valid. The people arguing for masturbation, argue that its not mentioned in the bible so it is not a sin. She mentions that child molestation is not mentioned in the bible, and is a sin.
If you are interested in Gods view of the situation you need to deal with this logical point logically or through inspiration, not just mock the person who made it.
Child molestation, is normally a form of extramarital sex, so is condemned in the bible. If an adult married a child (and even discussing this makes me feel revulsion to my core), molestation would still be immoral, because it would be harmful to the child; and a violation of the child's will, because the child couldn't meaningfully consent to it.
We may now note that if anyone suffers from this desire of the flesh , that it is of the kind to be fasted permanently, and that person may do well to become a eunuch.
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Crazy talk, I struggled with masturbation for 4 years. Then I detached myself from "traditional interpretations" and started searching the scriptures myself. 6 years out from that ridiculous time in my life and i've developed into a balance individual who isn't running to the pews in a fit of self hatred everytime I feel sexual attraction, which, being a young man is all the darn time. Your extreme example is ridiculous, I could say that reading your Bible is dangerous then too, considering all those maniacs in the crusades who cut, sliced, and diced men women and children in the name of God.
God created man and woman, looked us over in all our nakedness and said, oh baby that is GOOD. Seems to me like the Lord smacked a stamp of approval on human sexuality. That includes masturbation, the lovely images of a woman(or man) you see in your head, the attraction, affection, etc. When it becomes wrong is when it becomes abusive, when it starts to exploit others, and believe me there is plenty of that going on without the ghosts of the desert fathers rising up to proclaim positive sexuality to be disgusting.
You want to read the only treatise on human sexuality in the Bible? Read song of songs and look through the symbolism.
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Crazy talk, I struggled with masturbation for 4 years. Then I detached myself from "traditional interpretations" and started searching the scriptures myself. 6 years out from that ridiculous time in my life and i've developed into a balance individual who isn't running to the pews in a fit of self hatred everytime I feel sexual attraction, which, being a young man is all the darn time. Your extreme example is ridiculous, I could say that reading your Bible is dangerous then too, considering all those maniacs in the crusades who cut, sliced, and diced men women and children in the name of God.
God created man and woman, looked us over in all our nakedness and said, oh baby that is GOOD. Seems to me like the Lord smacked a stamp of approval on human sexuality. That includes masturbation, the lovely images of a woman(or man) you see in your head, the attraction, affection, etc. When it becomes wrong is when it becomes abusive, when it starts to exploit others, and believe me there is plenty of that going on without the ghosts of the desert fathers rising up to proclaim positive sexuality to be disgusting.
You want to read the only treatise on human sexuality in the Bible? Read song of songs and look through the symbolism.
what this person is really saying is he struggled with this sin for 4 years until finally his conscience was seared with a hot iron, and now its nolonger a sin to him........nolonger able to discern good from evil
he is not going to be seen as an overcomer, but one who caved in and gave up
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nobody can get free from masturbation until they get control of the thoughts they allow their mind to think about, daydreams and fantasys that feed this spirit, will make you powerless to fight your flesh in what it wants to do.
get control of your thought life and you will find the power to overcome what the flesh desires
this is the key to getting free from masturbation, and I can tell you I struggled a whole lot longer than a measely 4 years.
wish someone would of told me that the flesh becomes easy to overcome when you starve the mind of all the ammunition, if you reject and rebuke sinful thoughts of sexual acts. and don't entertain them in your mind, you will find victory
this is not done overnight, you have to retrain your mind and your body as well, because more than likely its been very used to you giving in continuously, and you have to break free from this mindset
the way you get free is by not giving up, persevere to the end, be an overcomer..........once you finally get free you will know exactly what I'm talking about, its wonderful to nolonger be under that bondage, for that continual nagging of the mind and flesh......It truly is amazing to be set free
and every Christian can walk in that freedom if they just believe that the sin of masturbation is a deceitful lie, it never gives what it promises, it is a never ending unsatisfied lover, its an empty and lonely companion
get control of your thought life and you will find the power to overcome what the flesh desires
this is the key to getting free from masturbation, and I can tell you I struggled a whole lot longer than a measely 4 years.
wish someone would of told me that the flesh becomes easy to overcome when you starve the mind of all the ammunition, if you reject and rebuke sinful thoughts of sexual acts. and don't entertain them in your mind, you will find victory
this is not done overnight, you have to retrain your mind and your body as well, because more than likely its been very used to you giving in continuously, and you have to break free from this mindset
the way you get free is by not giving up, persevere to the end, be an overcomer..........once you finally get free you will know exactly what I'm talking about, its wonderful to nolonger be under that bondage, for that continual nagging of the mind and flesh......It truly is amazing to be set free
and every Christian can walk in that freedom if they just believe that the sin of masturbation is a deceitful lie, it never gives what it promises, it is a never ending unsatisfied lover, its an empty and lonely companion
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The prostate secretes alkaline and lubricant. Do you mean testis? The [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] is the penis undeveloped in the female due to estrogen. At birth the fetus has estrogen (female). It is up to the development of the brain to add the required amount of testosterone to make a child male of female. In the end, the child becomes dominant in one hormone of the two but always carries both after birth.
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Peace
Lovely. Smart mouth comment, but to answer your Question.
Gluttony is a a sin.
So is it harmful because I eat like a pig? Masturbation is pleasure, if it is a health thing and doctor says touch or die. I would pray. Like when I had bad anxiety doctor gives medicine I said no. And prayed. I trust God not human words.
That is what I learn from Jesus
Peace in the name of The Lord
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Phantasman
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You say "peace" yet refer to my comments as "smart mouth"?
The body neither requires animal and/or vegetable fats or sugar to survive. We get pleasure out of the taste of the foods that include them. If we were to just eat to survive, we could be bland food eater's of raw vegetables and cooked beef, etc. But we do consume those things that have been shown to cause harmful effects to the body for the pleasures they provide, even those who become obese through the process. And these obese people will be the first to condemn a smoker, one who masturbates, etc. as a sinner, yet they don't see anything wrong with their own issues.
God gave you a body. He gave you a brain to take care of it. What you do with it is your choice. If you die because you pray instead of taking medicine, that is your choice. When you ask him in death "why didn't you answer my prayer?", he may say "I did. I sent you medicine".
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Yes I said Peace, and mean literally the word smart mouth.(forgive me if offended) Not trying to be nasty.
We are talking about is masturbation/sex sin. and you bring eating lollies and frys into it. John live on honey and grasshoppers and lived in the dessert.Can we do that? And he was great brave profet. Jesus said kingdom of heaven is not eating and drinking, and look at what delicacies we have these days. Bible teaches eat everything that is put in front of you with thanks giving. So that answers your animal fat and all the other preservatives they put in foods. Bless and eat.
Tell me what Jesus did and said.
I believe in that. Your point is not bad if you have no faith in God. I don't want to guess with God. I have also used medicine, because I was scared and not ready to die, but lets say 2000 yrs ago . Where there was not flash hospitals. What would I have done then. Prayed and trusted in luck? No people would pray fast for days to get clear answer from. God. Now we pray walk past hospital it's a sign. So why not today pray hard and truly get answers, but who wants to pray for days, when you can walk in hospital. We have brain and make our choices, humans no nothing what's good for them. If they Did why on earth is our planet in such a mess. Is it because we are such good choice makers. no because people are Godless.Jesus is the only way. Please you believe what you believe. And I believe what I believe .
God bless
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I think we may be getting off topic here, I will start a new thread where we can debate whether medicine is for Christians or not, but I think here we should probably stick to the subject.
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You have the words fetus and child mixedup. In regards to the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]: If you believe in creation, then the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] is a matter of design; but if you believe in evolution, it is not. There are female species that have no [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse].
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In 2003, a study by the Cancer Council of Australia found that frequent [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] appeared to prevent the development of prostate cancer.
Factors that reduce the incidents of prostate cancer include diet and ejaculatory frequency.
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Crazy talk, I struggled with masturbation for 4 years. Then I detached myself from "traditional interpretations" and started searching the scriptures myself. 6 years out from that ridiculous time in my life and i've developed into a balance individual who isn't running to the pews in a fit of self hatred everytime I feel sexual attraction, which, being a young man is all the darn time. Your extreme example is ridiculous, I could say that reading your Bible is dangerous then too, considering all those maniacs in the crusades who cut, sliced, and diced men women and children in the name of God.
God created man and woman, looked us over in all our nakedness and said, oh baby that is GOOD. Seems to me like the Lord smacked a stamp of approval on human sexuality. That includes masturbation, the lovely images of a woman(or man) you see in your head, the attraction, affection, etc. When it becomes wrong is when it becomes abusive, when it starts to exploit others, and believe me there is plenty of that going on without the ghosts of the desert fathers rising up to proclaim positive sexuality to be disgusting.
and although I don't have any personal experience as a woman, my suspicion is that women need it to, just not as much as men do.
You want to read the only treatise on human sexuality in the Bible? Read song of songs and look through the symbolism.
I too struggled with masturbation when I was single. My opinon is that most men, especially young men would get nuttier than a fruit cake if they don't get sexual release. So which is worse to go fornicate with a prostitute or girlfriend, or to touch? Even if the bible somehow says masturbation is a sin, it would have to be, for most men, a necessity if they are not married. The b ible says not to be righteous over much why shouldest thou die before thy time. It's far better in my opinion for a man to get sexual release so that sex isn't constantly on his brain, than to not touch and be tempted all day long with even the sight of a female 20 miles away. Let's get real here. Men need sexual release or they go nuts. Probably it's the same for women, just that they don't need sexual release as often as men do. On average, I'd guess once a month for females, and twice a week for males would do the trick.
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yes recent studies say this, and recent studies say that, when you get a bit older you will find what a fraud these studies truly are, It all goes back to follow the money, I can show you studies in medicine and by scientist that declared to the world! that tobacco was neither cancer causing or addictive.
and the medical world is no better, why it wasn't to long ago they discredited and ran out of town a Doctor who thought washing hands and sterilizing medical intruments might save lives.
You would be a fool to imagine there be any truth in some study that would make a uncontroled sex addict to be in a healthier position than a non masturbating virgin
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and that is the crux of the problem, you don't see anything wrong with young Christian followers of Jesus walking around with sex on the brain, as if they apparently have no say at what they think about. yes you are absolutely right if a young person walks around with sex on the brain it is impossible not to make yourself get a release.
I'm sorry you believe that people are completely powerless to control their minds, It must be a crazy world for you, to be forced to think about what ever disgusting thing pops into your cranium, entertaining thoughts that go completely against everything Jesus and the bible teaches
a Christian who has no control over their mind and their thoughts, is a definition of a man who will surely fall for every temptation without fail
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