Arguments Creationists Should NOT Use

[Lludmila]

I don't have the gumption to stand up to evolutionists....Oh my! They are much too vehement for me.

Falling Waters, forgive me for abbreviating your post when I quoted you. I was just going to say that they are not all vehement and not all hostile toward we Creationists. I suspect you had a bad experience with one (or a few) particular individual Evolutionists. Trust m, they are not all mean and none have horns growing out of their heads...

By the way, I don't often learn as much in this forum. Usually it takes a fight with an evolutionist to get the juices flowing. Good OP.

Why in the world do we want to fight with Evolutionists?! Most of them are not out to fight anyone. If you feel the need to go fight with one, you'll probably do not much more that just stir up a wasp nest.

 

[busterdog]

Falling Waters, forgive me for abbreviating your post when I quoted you. I was just going to say that they are not all vehement and not all hostile toward we Creationists. I suspect you had a bad experience with one (or a few) particular individual Evolutionists. Trust m, they are not all mean and none have horns growing out of their heads...



Why in the world do we want to fight with Evolutionists?! Most of them are not out to fight anyone. If you feel the need to go fight with one, you'll probably do not much more that just stir up a wasp nest.

Well, some kids tend to enjoy that. There is the classic direct pitch from a safe distance. If you are really good, you can throw the nest itself.

Some of us like to be combative. As they say, recognizing the problem is part of the cure.

Kidding aside, I understand what you are saying. But, the fact is that the dispute unfortunately ends up energizing the discussion. The creationist forum on its own sometimes lacks energy.

 

[busterdog]

GEOCENTRICITY: A Fable For Educaded Man?

Thats going to take some time. After about 15 minutes with it, I am not sure exactly what is being proposed.

The AIG response didn't make any sense either. Was Bouw's proposal even described?

 

[Lludmila]

The creationist forum on its own sometimes lacks energy.

not if you get even one eloquent evolutionist into the mix.

 

[RichardT]

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[RichardT]

Thats going to take some time. After about 15 minutes with it, I am not sure exactly what is being proposed.

The AIG response didn't make any sense either. Was Bouw's proposal even described?

What doesn't seem to make sense? I can summerize it if you want.

 

[FallingWaters]

sue me.

I thought you weren't into geocentrism anymore.

 

[FallingWaters]

Falling Waters, forgive me for abbreviating your post when I quoted you. I was just going to say that they are not all vehement and not all hostile toward we Creationists. I suspect you had a bad experience with one (or a few) particular individual Evolutionists. Trust m, they are not all mean and none have horns growing out of their heads...

You're right.
There was one polite one: rmwilliams

 

[laptoppop]

ChaosChristian is also an unfailingly polite TE.

 

[FallingWaters]

not if you get even one eloquent evolutionist into the mix.

I don't understand how that is different from him going to the evolutionist forum for a discussion.

Evolutionists are not allowed in this forum.

 

[FallingWaters]

There's a good wiki on geocentrism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_geocentrism

 

[Lludmila]

I don't understand how that is different from him going to the evolutionist forum for a discussion.

Evolutionists are not allowed in this forum.

oh my bad.... I did not know that.

 

[FallingWaters]

ChaosChristian is also an unfailingly polite TE.

That's good to know.

 

[FallingWaters]

oh my bad.... I did not know that.

Ah. That's okay.


Actually, it's been a long-standing philosophy among salespeople that if want to sell something, you should study the products of your competition.
In a way, that's kind of what busterdog is doing by going and finding out what the arguments of the evolutionists are.

It's a good strategy if you can take the beating.

 

[RichardT]

I thought you weren't into geocentrism anymore.

It started to fascinate me again.

 

[busterdog]

Ah. That's okay.


Actually, it's been a long-standing philosophy among salespeople that if want to sell something, you should study the products of your competition.
In a way, that's kind of what busterdog is doing by going and finding out what the arguments of the evolutionists are.

It's a good strategy if you can take the beating.

What doesn't kill me makes me stronger.

Oh, no wait.

When I am weak, then I am strong.

That's the one.

 

[laptoppop]

When I am weak, then I am strong.

That's the one.

 

[busterdog]

It started to fascinate me again.

There seem to be some interesting issues with the nature of the expansion of space, or stretching as some creationists use the term.

There are several interesting ideas involved:

1. The idea of the "balloon" shape of the universe, and whether that is viable -- very interesting.

2. Our inability to see across it to the hypothetical other side, where stars have been moving away from us at light speed, more or less.

3. The question of whether a center of the universe can be found.

4. The question of whether there is an absolute frame of reference, as in Lorentz v. Einstein.

5. Eventually, we get to the problem of dimensionless constants, I think.

6. Whether our visual examination of our cosmic neighborhood can tell use what neighborhood we are in.

7. Whether the shape of the universe and our position is demonstrated in the apparent retreat of most or all of the known universe.

However, we just spent a lot of time breaking down the geocentrism arguments based on scripture. I still can't see the argument that scripture was literal on this point, except with the most generous indulgence.

I am having a hard time imagining the forces that would allow the sun to remain in orbit around the earth while everything else revolves around the sun. I am having a hard time forgetting about foucault's pendulum. THere are oddities in the rotations, size and orbits in the solar system that raise doubt about convention being the full picture, but this one is hard to imagine.

What do you find fascinating about it?

 

[busterdog]

This is a derail, but there is a very interesting video that is an independent review of Ron Wyatt. The most interesting part is not speculation on where the ark might be, but the description of the actual "place of the skull" and how the crucifixion happened. Good explanation for the geography of Jerusalem. Really cool and surprising research.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7wt837IUw4&mode=related&search=

Follow along in the several installments and you will get to photographs of what might be the post holes into which the crosses themselves were sunk. And maybe the rock that was rolled away and maybe the tomb and groove into which the rock had been placed. This is really fun. Have a look. You needn't be your life on it, but the photos and scriptural references are pretty interesting.

Hollywood video has nothing on this. This really is a fun video.

 

[busterdog]

It started to fascinate me again.

Richard,

are we assuming very different masses for the various bodies in the solar system?

Not looking to bash you here. I am curious about the line of reasoning.