Aren't we all physically ill?

[louise sheinholtz]

Louise that was called sarcasm you havn't been here long enough to understand it's meaning or intent.

No sarcasm just the truth that sets us free. I have been here long enough to see that some people are intellectuals listening to a mind that is deceptive.
And give unchristian advice to others. Telling someone not to go to a doctor when they are sick is not right.

 

[~RENEE~]

like I said you have no idea

 

[Boidae]

Louise that was called sarcasm you havn't been here long enough to understand it's meaning or intent.

While I realize that it was sarcasm, there are some that can take it as truth and not go to the doctor when they are ill. Some people are that persuaded by what is said on the internet or that gullible if you will.

I am not one of those people, but we really need to watch what we say as we don't know who can be reading and take what you say at face value.

 

[louise sheinholtz]

While I realize that it was sarcasm, there are some that can take it as truth and not go to the doctor when they are ill. Some people are that persuaded by what is said on the internet or that gullible if you will.

I am not one of those people, but we really need to watch what we say as we don't know who can be reading and take what you say at face value.

If you see that it is possible for some people that can be persuaded, why do you call it sarcasm and not the truth that can help others?
I only say what I am shown to say, I don't talk from the top of my head and not what others think I should say.
Jesus didn't mince words when he corrected the money changers, nor do I.

Louise

 

[mourningdove~]

No sarcasm just the truth that sets us free. I have been here long enough to see that some people are intellectuals listening to a mind that is deceptive.
And give unchristian advice to others. Telling someone not to go to a doctor when they are sick is not right.

I understand what you are saying, Louise, and think it was helpful that you responded to the sarcastic comment made because there are readers in this forum from many places, and even from around the world, that may not have understood the sarcastic comment for what it was (sarcasm), and therefore may have been unintentionally mislead by it.

 

[aWalkbyFaith]

This is for discussion, not debate. (No hand grenades, please).

Why do we make physical healing such a big deal?

Haha, nice one. Discussions are nice, aside the hand grenades I agree.

I'm sure there are many different reasons. I guess I can only speak from my own experience here. Personally I have faced several illnesses, diseases, syndromes or however they want to label them. I thank God that I have been delivered from all of them. But I found that it is "easier", if I may use that word, to believe for divine health then it is to be in the midst of the circumstances of illness and have to believe something that you do not see but only believe by faith. So for that reason, I often plead the blood of Jesus, by faith, over my life, believing that faith is a shield and that faith protects me. And that the life of Christ is applied to my life by doing so. And I believe that God honors faith. And that faith is the substance of things hoped for. And that it is the evidence of things not seen.

I've tried not exercising faith, and the results in my life have been more productive when I do. So that is my testimony. If any person wants to believe in illness, who am I to judge that brother. To the Lord that brother stands.

I agree that often we make physical healing a big deal. Perhaps it's because people like seeing signs and wonders. It has always been that way. The enemy is out about creating doubts. And people just want to believe that "maybe God loves me, and if he does I want to see a sign". Of course physical healing is not the greatest. Salvation of the soul is the greatest miracle. But I can remember being "saved" at the age of 18. I was a gang member at the time. And violence was the only thing I knew. And it was powerful. the drugs, the money, and all that. So I remember a few months after a 180 conversion on my life, with the love of Christ having flooded my being.. I remember going up to the alter and a deacon came up to me and he asked me what I needed prayer for. I told him I wanted more. He asked me if I was saved, then asked if I was filled with the holy ghost. Yep. Yep. Then he asked me, "well what more do you want". And I remember as if it was yesterday (that was about 21 years ago) looking at that man and seeing how dry he was spiritually. He was miserable and he couldn't hide it. And I thought to myself, "I don't know what you have, but that's not what I want. There has to me more. This christian thing has to be real or I'm out." Well that hunger that the Lord had placed in my heart lead me to believe that maybe just maybe there was more. Am I saying that we should seek the signs and wonders. NO. I'm saying that the signs and wonders do follow, if we believe. If we don't believe then umm, well that's like the children of Israel wondering around the wilderness of unbelief. Now I know I have to be careful because people get offended when I say they are in unbelief. Well if it makes anyone feel better, we all don't believe the way Jesus did. We all fall short of that. But why not believe for more? And let's not knock anyone if they do believe for more. "Eye has not seen or ear heard the things that God, neither entered into the heart of man the things which God has prepared for them that love him. So there is more, if you can believe. It's by faith. God has more for us. And we have not imagined the things that God has for us. So why not believe it..

Hebrews 11:5 "By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him"

It's faith in God, not faith in self.

Grace and peace. (not hand grenades)

 

[Tobias]

don't go to the doctor that'll go against the will of god cause after all it's his will that you are sick-----RIGHT!?

Wait, so this isn't the red letter edition? I was thinking that because it was in red, these were the words of Jesus Himself...





(Combating sarcasm with more sarcasm is like fighting fire with fire, no?)

 

[~RENEE~]

Wait, so this isn't the red letter edition? I was thinking that because it was in red, these were the words of Jesus Himself...





(Combating sarcasm with more sarcasm is like fighting fire with fire, no?)

 

[Boidae]

I understand what you are saying, Louise, and think it was helpful that you responded to the sarcastic comment made because there are readers in this forum from many places, and even from around the world, that may not have understood the sarcastic comment for what it was (sarcasm), and therefore may have been unintentionally mislead by it.

Which is pretty much what I said, just differently.

She was being sarcastic, so I called it sarcasm because that is exactly what it was.

 

[~RENEE~]

K what I said was not in anyway meant to imply that people should not see a doctor in fact those that know me know that I say differently. It was meant for a certain group that I not go into that have implied that it is in a round about way GOD'S will for people to be sick. My point was if it is GOD'S will then going to the doctor will be against GOD'S will. If you want to try to understand where I am coming from on this message me.

 

[louise sheinholtz]

Which is pretty Michelle what I said, just differently.

She was being sarcastic, so I called it sarcasm because that is exactly what it was.

I am so glad you are not the umpire on my grand-daughter baseball team. You would rather call a home run sarcastic. You are spiritually off base.
So be it.

 

[Boidae]

I am so glad you are not the umpire on my grand-daughter baseball team. You would rather call a home run sarcastic. You are spiritually off base.
So be it.

Not spiritually off base at all. Even she said she was being sarcastic, that is the truth, because she said it was her intent.

A home run is a home run, being sarcastic is being sarcastic.

 

[Messy]

 

[Always in His Presence]

Oh well, I just believed it and got healed. I''ll never forget that preaching.

LOL. No, he's wrong, you need to repent from that false teaching and get sick again. Hey, if you die an agonizing death, you can bring glory to god.


Sarcasm now off


Glad to hear your testimony!! Glory to God!!!!!

 

[Always in His Presence]

FTR, almost no one in this forum was talking about healing until you brought it up (again) to rehash all of the exact same arguments you've been making for years. Just to set the record straight.

But since you brought it up (again), I'll answer it (again).

The above question is foolish and steeped in pride. It essentially says, "I have no need of God". The idea that you serve God for His sake alone might sound super spiritual and give you a twitch in your gizzard when you think about how much you don't need from God, but you might as well re-write the old hymn to say "Great is MY faithfulness".

I mean, an eternity spent in heaven is the thing God thought was important enough to sacrifice His only begotten Son for us, and this question flippantly calls it a "perk".

I NEED everything God provides for me. I NEED His Love. I NEED His peace. I NEED His grace. I NEED His healing. I NEED His forgiveness. And He offers all of that and so much more to us because He Loves us, because He cares for us. I wouldn't want to be the one that flippantly and irreverently calls all of God's gifts and blessings to us "perks"


I am so thankful that God remains faithful even when I don't.

The question above should make us think; It should make us realize that it's remarkably foolish to suggest that we need don't need His benefits. In fact, scripture tells us to not forget His benefits. Scripture even goes so far as to say that to be pleasing to God, we must believe that He REWARDS those who diligently seek Him.

Maybe some people are so wonderful all on their own that they don't need any of that, and they can rely on their own faithfulness. Ballyhoo for them. But I NEED my Father; everything that He IS and everything that He DOES. Without Him, I am nothing.

Quoted As a hand grenade of truth

 

[louise sheinholtz]

Not spiritually off base at all. Even she said she was being sarcastic, that is the truth, because she said it was her intent.

A home run is a home run, being sarcastic is being sarcastic.[/quote

Who said it was "her intent" Who is her?
What are you talking about??
Are you still up at bat.
I forgot the whole thing, why are you hanging on to it?
"Coma to my house" I'll give your something else to do. LOL

 

[Boidae]

"Coma to my house" I'll give your something else to do. LOL

No thanks, I have more than enough to do here between my disabled wife and an 11 month old getting ready to start walking.

 

[FoundInGrace]

well, whatever our individual doctrines we all know God is faithful and full of compassion and love for His children so we can all pray for Boidae and his family that they will be very aware of the Presence of our Father God with them very strongly, surrounding and helping them at this time.

 

[Yitzchak]

It does not require any faith to go to the doctor. An atheist can go to the doctor just the same as a Christian and receive the same benefits. Modern medicine is an example of what Theologians term common grace meaning the grace of God common to all people , believers and unbelievers alike. Just like the sunshine and rain , God gives these blessings to all people to help us.

Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

There is nothing Christian about going to the doctor and there is nothing non christian about going to the doctor , in and of itself. Just like there is nothing Christian about a farmer making use of the sun and rain by planting his crops and harvesting those same crops all by natural means. But ultimately that farmer must place his trust in the Lord for provision and there will be tests that come in all of our lives in these things. How we respond matters.

Since this is a Christian message board and specifically a Spirit filled section which believes in the gifts of the Holy Spirit operating in today's church including the gift of healing. Then it would seem fitting to recommend calling for the elders of the church to anoint with oil or to advise praying a prayer of faith to heal the sick.

I for one do not consider it the high ground to speak in a negative manner about those who are exercising faith in supernatural healing even to the point of rejecting natural help. It is a deeply personal matter as to when it is the time to intentionally reject natural solutions to a problem and trust God alone. There is certainly biblical precedent for that. There is however , no biblical precedent for trusting natural means while making fun of those who reject natural help. Everyone has to stand before the Lord and answer to their own conscience in these matters.

We all can struggle with faith at times. None of us want to be tested in these harsh circumstances such as an ill loved one who does not respond to prayer. But asd a community of faith , it is not responsible to encourage people to abandon supernatural healing as a possibility and instead push towards natural solutions that require no special grace. While there may be things about the situation that are difficult to understand , God is not absent and the scripture is not silent on these matters. For myself , I would rather go down swinging never seeing the answer to my prayers than to give up the fight. Hebrews , chapter 11 records examples of faith in people who died without seeing all the answers to their prayers and to what they were believing for. But they died in faith still believing.

Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

None of us truly knows if our faith will hold when it is fully tested. We can say that we do , but things can happen in life that can take us past our breaking point. Just like Peter who said he would never deny the Lord , we should pray that our faith does not fail when tested.

Luk 22:31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:
Luk 22:32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

 

[Messy]

What they preach in our church: if you don't stand in faith for your healing, you keep looking at the pain and if an aspirine gets the pain away and helps you get back in faith again, take one.