Aren't we all physically ill?

[FoundInGrace]

FTR, almost no one in this forum was talking about healing until you brought it up (again) to rehash all of the exact same arguments you've been making for years. Just to set the record straight.

But since you brought it up (again), I'll answer it (again).

The above question is foolish and steeped in pride. It essentially says, "I have no need of God". The idea that you serve God for His sake alone might sound super spiritual and give you a twitch in your gizzard when you think about how much you don't need from God, but you might as well re-write the old hymn to say "Great is MY faithfulness".

I mean, an eternity spent in heaven is the thing God thought was important enough to sacrifice His only begotten Son for us, and this question flippantly calls it a "perk".

I NEED everything God provides for me. I NEED His Love. I NEED His peace. I NEED His grace. I NEED His healing. I NEED His forgiveness. And He offers all of that and so much more to us because He Loves us, because He cares for us. I wouldn't want to be the one that flippantly and irreverently calls all of God's gifts and blessings to us "perks"


I am so thankful that God remains faithful even when I don't.

The question above should make us think; It should make us realize that it's remarkably foolish to suggest that we need don't need His benefits. In fact, scripture tells us to not forget His benefits. Scripture even goes so far as to say that to be pleasing to God, we must believe that He REWARDS those who diligently seek Him.

Maybe some people are so wonderful all on their own that they don't need any of that, and they can rely on their own faithfulness. Ballyhoo for them. But I NEED my Father; everything that He IS and everything that He DOES. Without Him, I am nothing.

Looks like a handgrenade ▲
;-)

 

[FoundInGrace]

As a now middle-aged (wow the shock of it) woman, I find myself to be in pretty good health, despite some OA and a generally more achy body. I keep myself in shape by running, doing yoga and eating selectively.


I consider it important to take care of the body that God has given me. It is the temple of the Holy Spirit, correct? Well, I want my 'temple' to be an outward manifestation of the inward blessing, and that doesn't mean dyeing my greys or putting cream on my wrinkles (although I do that), it means listening to my body and training it and keeping it so that it lasts my whole life.

I also believe that God gifted us with medicine and healing, and to turn my back on it would be foolish.

I don't feel particularly "physically ill" - perhaps I need to check back in 10 years. I feel strong and healthy, and I'm grateful for these blessings and grateful for however much longer I have to feel that way.

I thought yoga was hinduism.

But the rest of what you said makes sense.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Give you a twitch in yer gizzard - lol!

 

[The Unforgettable Fire]

Aren't we all physically ill?

Well maybe not "all" of us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uioTCFTpix0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[The Unforgettable Fire]

This is for discussion, not debate. (No hand grenades, please).

Why do we make physical healing such a big deal? It seems to occupy more attention in this forum than almost anything else. Granted, it makes a good show on the weekend but it is really needed at the hospital and nursing home.

When you think about it, we are all "sick" to one extent or another. None of us are what we used to be. Even the "healthiest" among us carry germs, bacteria, viruses in our bodies; we all lose our vision; gain weight; develop heart arrhythmia; our hair thins and falls out; we gray, wrinkle, and lose our teeth; our hearing fails; our immune system needs tweaked; we develop diabetes, arthritis; we can no longer run as fast or as far as we used to, nor lift what we used to, nor stay awake as long as we want ... in short, we age and, eventually ... we die. "When Elisha was in his last illness, he died and was buried" (2 Kings 13).

IMO, aging is the one inevitable (and incurable) physical ailment that affects us all. Thank God, he has provided an antidote for it--heaven, where we will be given an new incorruptible, immortal body--but we have to wait for it. In the meantime, "we groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, the redemption of the body" (Roamns 8.12). The same goes for any physical illness.

God may, and often does, provide immediate relief from an acute illness but regardless, we remain physically "ill" at some level. All healing is, at best, temporary. As John Wimber said, "Healing is just patch-up work on worn-out machinery." We should be thankful that God frequently provides relief for us in this life when we are feeling the effects of growing older (and we should be thankfully that he is so gracious), but even at our best we are all physically ill. It is just a matter of degrees.

Now for a serious answer.

I just found out today someone I know is dying with cancer. They are in the final stages and have lost touch with reality.

It is unsettling to me because it was unexpected news. I didn't even know he had cancer.

The longer I live the more people I know who cross from this life into eternity.

There is also the aspect of it being a reminder that my day will come too and from all the accounts I have heard, when people look back they say it went by so fast.

Life is a vapor.

Does God heal? Sure He does.

Will God heal everyone? I know people on both sides of this that I love and respect.

I think of my own life and those I love.

If it was someone close to me I love I will be praying earnestly for their healing because of the heart loss it poses to me if they are gone. I don't think God somehow owes it to me or them though. I ask for mercy and when He heals I thank Him and when He doesn't I trust Him.

So I don't arrogantly presume upon God to be good to me or those I love (according to my limited understanding) I know He is full of mercy, grace and love and is willing and eager to pour them out on us according to His will where He works all things together for good. So when He doesn't, I know in my heart, even if right now there isn't a reason, God will make a reason and it will be more meaningful and more beautiful than I ever could have dreamt or asked for in the culmination of things. So I don't doubt my prayers or God's goodness.

My faith resides in the hope of the Gospel and I know Abraham didn't find the city down here though God promised it to him.

So, in conclusion, I keep my eyes on eternity and the author and finisher of my faith who loved me, gave Himself for me and I trust will freely, eventually give me all things.

 

[JimB]

64250450[/size]]Looks like a handgrenade ▲
;-)

Yep. I was hoping for a more civil discussion about an, um, explosive topic, but hand grenade lobbers are always around. I am beginning to think that it is those who are least comfortable with their “beliefs” who are most volatile toward those who challenge them. Anyhow, I guess we’ll see. .

 

[JimB]

Now for a serious answer.

I just found out today someone I know is dying with cancer. They are in the final stages and have lost touch with reality.

It is unsettling to me because it was unexpected news. I didn't even know he had cancer.

The longer I live the more people I know who cross from this life into eternity.

There is also the aspect of it being a reminder that my day will come too and from all the accounts I have heard, when people look back they say it went by so fast.

Life is a vapor.

Does God heal? Sure He does.

Will God heal everyone? I know people on both sides of this that I love and respect.

I think of my own life and those I love.

If it was someone close to me I love I will be praying earnestly for their healing because of the heart loss it poses to me if they are gone. I don't think God somehow owes it to me or them though. I ask for mercy and when He heals I thank Him and when He doesn't I trust Him.

So I don't arrogantly presume upon God to be good to me or those I love (according to my limited understanding) I know He is full of mercy, grace and love and is willing and eager to pour them out on us according to His will where He works all things together for good. So when He doesn't, I know in my heart, even if right now there isn't a reason, God will make a reason and it will be more meaningful and more beautiful than I ever could have dreamt or asked for in the culmination of things. So I don't doubt my prayers or God's goodness.

My faith resides in the hope of the Gospel and I know Abraham didn't find the city down here though God promised it to him.

So, in conclusion, I keep my eyes on eternity and the author and finisher of my faith who loved me, gave Himself for me and I trust will freely, eventually give me all things.

Sadly, this is something we will all encounter as we move through life. The older we get the more relevant it becomes. Fact is, we are all sick to one extent or another. No one knows what illness is lurking inside our worn out (or wearing out) bodies, ready to manifest itself at the most unexpected times. But the OP is, since we are all physically ill at some level what exactly do we mean by physical healing. It seems to me that we all need it continuously, 24/7/365, and we will not be “whole” until the resurrection (Romans 8.23) of these mortal, corruptible bodies.

 

[Boidae]

Then Isa 53:1 must be dealt with!

Isa 53:1
53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed? KJV

The arm of the Lord (power of the Lord) is revealed to those that believe the report.

Those that believe are healed by his stripes!

Those who do not believe the report are not!

If only that were true for all.

You all know that my wife has mutilple sclerosis as I have posted it many times. Just as I have posted that she has been prayed for, over, hands laid on many, many times. If anyone believes that they will be healed it is her, yet she still suffers from MS.

Surely, my wife who believes whole heartily that she will be healed would have been healed by now. Yet she hasn't. In my "Please Pray for my Wife" thread someone mentioned that they were hearing the Scripture " my grace is sufficient for you" when reading my post. That also confirms what I have heard many times when I pray for my wife to he healed, which I do each and everyday.

I know that some of you will say that you cannot go by experiences, yet I live each day with the knowledge that my wife hasn't been healed even though we stand on the promises of God. I continually am brought back to and hear that His grace is sufficient for her. That is more than experience, that is truth of the life that my wife and I live.

All glory belongs to God, even when He chooses not to heal and only provides His grace for inflictions.

 

[The Unforgettable Fire]

If only that were true for all.

You all know that my wife has mutilple sclerosis as I have posted it many times. Just as I have posted that she has been prayed for, over, hands laid on many, many times. If anyone believes that they will be healed it is her, yet she still suffers from MS.

Surely, my wife who believes whole heartily that she will be healed would have been healed by now. Yet she hasn't. In my "Please Pray for my Wife" thread someone mentioned that they were hearing the Scripture " my grace is sufficient for you" when reading my post. That also confirms what I have heard many times when I pray for my wife to he healed, which I do each and everyday.

I know that some of you will say that you cannot go by experiences, yet I live each day with the knowledge that my wife hasn't been healed even though we stand on the promises of God. I continually am brought back to and hear that His grace is sufficient for her. That is more than experience, that is truth of the life that my wife and I live.

All glory belongs to God, even when He chooses not to heal and only provides His grace for inflictions.

I don't know if you listened to the song I posted from U2 (most balk because it's a rock band). It was about a boy in their school who had no control over his body. He was completely limp. The doctor said he was just a shell. His mother believed he could hear though and read to him daily.

One day they came out with a drug that allowed him to move his head just enough. His special ed teachers came up with the idea of putting something on his head so he could poke a keyboard. He ended up being a award winning poet.

Some would say God failed that little boy. I'd say God chooses the weak things and people of this world to manifest His glory.

 

[The Unforgettable Fire]

1 Corinthians 1:27-29
New Living Translation (NLT)

"...God chose things the world considers foolish in order to shame those who think they are wise. And he chose things that are powerless to shame those who are powerful. God chose things despised by the world, things counted as nothing at all, and used them to bring to nothing what the world considers important. As a result, no one can ever boast in the presence of God."

 

[Boidae]

I don't know if you listened to the song I posted from U2 (most balk because it's a rock band). It was about a boy in their school who had no control over his body. He was completely limp. The doctor said he was just a shell. His mother believed he could hear though and read to him daily.

One day they came out with a drug that allowed him to move his head just enough. His special ed teachers came up with the idea of putting something on his head so he could poke a keyboard. He ended up being a award winning poet.

Some would say God failed that little boy. I'd say God chooses the weak things and people of this world to manifest His glory.

I did listen, yes. Thank you for it.

It still doesn't make the "all our healed if they just believe" any easier to hear.

My wife fully believes as do I, yet she remains sick.

 

[Boidae]

We are actually on our way in a few minutes to the ER per her neurologist. She has gotten worse, much worse as she feels that her body is shutting down.

 

[JimB]

We are actually on our way in a few minutes to the ER per her neurologist. She has gotten worse, much worse as she feels that her body is shutting down.

I am praying with you, B. My prayer is that the Lord's will be done ... and I know it will.

 

[FoundInGrace]

praying too

 

[~RENEE~]

don't go to the doctor that'll go against the will of god cause after all it's his will that you are sick-----RIGHT!?

 

[Faulty]

don't go to the doctor that'll go against the will of god cause after all it's his will that you are sick-----RIGHT!?

Or God's will was to make that person a doctor to treat myself and others when we do get sick. No way to know.

 

[Boidae]

She decided not to go and I am going to put in a call to her neurologist on Monday first thing if she doesn't end up at the ER anyway during the rest of the weekend.

Renee, I don't listen to people when they say not to go see a doctor. As far as I am concerned they don't have the well being of the person who needs to see a doctor in mind.

 

[The Unforgettable Fire]

We are actually on our way in a few minutes to the ER per her neurologist. She has gotten worse, much worse as she feels that her body is shutting down.

Our hearts and prayers are with you.

To that I'll repeat this thought I posted earlier. I don't think there is any rhyme or reason to suffering that we can see anyway. I hold on to my faith though that somehow, someway that I may not see right now, God will take all these bad things His children experience in this life and someday in this life or in the next, make them all work together for good.

 

[louise sheinholtz]

don't go to the doctor that'll go against the will of god cause after all it's his will that you are sick-----RIGHT!?

If that is a recent picture of you than you are talking as a child about things you do not understand.
God created doctors to take care of the sick because they need a doctor.
If you still think it is Gods will to make people ill then your god Is satan.
Where will you go when illness comes upon you? You will run like hell to get to a doctor.
Talk is cheap until reality strikes.

 

[~RENEE~]

Louise that was called sarcasm you havn't been here long enough to understand it's meaning or intent.