Are you saved?

[JoeyArnold]

Not all are children of God. Some have Satan as their father.

Is Satan the father of sinners?

 

[SeraphimsCherub]

Is Satan the father of sinners?

Yes he is the beginning of all sin. Are sons sinners because of their fathers??

 

[JoeyArnold]

Yes he is the beginning of all sin. Are sons sinners because of their fathers??

Romans 5:12 & John 8:44.

 

[SeraphimsCherub]

Satan is the beginning of all sin in the angelic realm:Eze 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

 

[Caitybug5131]

Yes, I'm saved-I became a Christian when I was twelve (I'm fourteen now). I grew up in a Christian home going to church, so I had always heard about the gospel, but never really wanted God to take full control over my life. This is just my opinion since I can see both sides, but I don't believe in predestination anymore at all because of many reasons. Most Calvinists use Romans chapter 9 to their defense, but if you deeply study it, the scripture can be taken both ways. As an arminian, I believe that God doesn't predestine believers. If He did, then wouldn't Jesus' life be an example of that? Did Christ go around picking and choosing people to heal, help, or teach? No, He treated everyone equally, because He is the only one who can fully understand that each person is God's loved creation. Also, why would He give us freewill, if the only everlasting choice wasnt able to be made by us.? This might sound very contradicting, but I can see where Calvinists come from, since I believed that God touched my heart deeply which made me become a Christian. But I also believed that someone could make the choice to ignore/remove God from their life.. Sorry if this doesn't make much sense lol I'm only fourteen...but that's my belief

 

[Hammster]

Is Satan the father of sinners?

Not all of them.

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[Viren]

Yes, I'm saved-I became a Christian when I was twelve (I'm fourteen now). I grew up in a Christian home going to church, so I had always heard about the gospel, but never really wanted God to take full control over my life. This is just my opinion since I can see both sides, but I don't believe in predestination anymore at all because of many reasons. Most Calvinists use Romans chapter 9 to their defense, but if you deeply study it, the scripture can be taken both ways. As an arminian, I believe that God doesn't predestine believers. If He did, then wouldn't Jesus' life be an example of that? Did Christ go around picking and choosing people to heal, help, or teach? No, He treated everyone equally, because He is the only one who can fully understand that each person is God's loved creation. Also, why would He give us freewill, if the only everlasting choice wasnt able to be made by us.? This might sound very contradicting, but I can see where Calvinists come from, since I believed that God touched my heart deeply which made me become a Christian. But I also believed that someone could make the choice to ignore/remove God from their life.. Sorry if this doesn't make much sense lol I'm only fourteen...but that's my belief

It sounds like what someone much older would say.

 

[Skala]

Is each individual given the choice to accept or reject Christ?

Yes.

But since they hate Christ, naturally they choose to reject him.

That's why grace is necessary, mandatory, for anyone to be saved.

 

[SeraphimsCherub]

Did Christ go around picking and choosing people to heal, help, or teach? No, He treated everyone equally,

Mat 4:18 And Jesus, walking by the sea of Galilee, saw two brethren, Simon called Peter, and Andrew his brother, casting a net into the sea: for they were fishers.
Mat 4:19 And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.

Looks like Jesus chose them.

Jesus says this to the Pharicees:
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Jesus and John:
Joh_20:2 Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.

 

[Caitybug5131]

Mat 4:18 And Jesus, walking by the sea of Galilee, saw two brethren, Simon called Peter, and Andrew his brother, casting a net into the sea: for they were fishers.
Mat 4:19 And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.

Looks like Jesus chose them.

Jesus says this to the Pharicees:
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Jesus and John:
Joh_20:2 Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.

That's a good point, but He chose them due to their faith-Which they had because of their freewill by God.

 

[Skala]

That's a good point, but He chose them due to their faith-Which they had because of their freewill by God.

Actually, the opposite is true sister! We have faith because He chose us

Act 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.

Notice in this example, they believed because they had been appointed to eternal life. They didn't become appointed on account of believing.

God's grace in choosing us is why we believe in Jesus He gets all the credit and glory!

 

[Caitybug5131]

Actually, the opposite is true sister! We have faith because He chose us

Act 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.

Notice in this example, they believed because they had been appointed to eternal life. They didn't become appointed on account of believing.

God's grace in choosing us is why we believe in Jesus He gets all the credit and glory!

Then why doesn't EVERYONE have salvation? Yes, I agree that God should get all the credit, but why would He send people to hell? He wants to have a relationship with all of His children-All of them. He isnt happy or smiling when someone dies who isn't saved-He died for them, but they didn't accept Him. God isn't a cruel God-I personally think that He shed His blood for all of His creation, but only those who choose to follow Him gain salvation.

 

[SeraphimsCherub]

but only those who choose to follow Him gain salvation.

Praise GOD for HIS SPIRIT "CAUSES" ALL THIS GOOD STUFF TO HAPPEN FOR us,and we need not worry about trying to "gain" our SALVATION. SALVATION IS A ETERNAL FACT SETTLED IN CHRIST BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD:
Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

GOD IS THE ONE WHO DOES ALL THE GOOD STUFF:

Eze 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Blessings...
SC

 

[greatdivide46]

Why would you compare spiritual eternal life, which is God's work, God's doing, to a toy at Christmas?

First, when you "lose" a toy, you lose it because you forgot about it, or misplaced it. That's not the same as "unearning" salvation (losing salvation)

It's a terrible analogy you used.

I kinda thought someone would say something along these lines. Are you saying that what God does is governed by different laws that what goes on in His creation?

I agree that losing a gift given by another human being is not the same a losing salvation. What I was addressing was the fact that some seem to think that it's impossible to lose one's salvation. If that's true then I can't for the life of me figure out why there are so many warnings in Scripture about staying true to the faith and not going back to one's old lifestyle because they are being persecuted too much as a Christian. That's the thesis of the entire Book of Hebrews. If we can't do that then the book of Hebrews is unnecessary.

 

[Skala]

Then why doesn't EVERYONE have salvation?

As Romans 9 says, "He has mercy on whomever He desires, and He hardens whomever He desires"

Yes, I agree that God should get all the credit, but why would He send people to hell?

Because people deserve hell for sins. It is just of God to do that. It is right of Him to do it. He's a just judge.

He wants to have a relationship with all of His children-All of them

You're right. He does want a relationship with all of HIS children. But not all men are his children. Jesus told us that some are "children of the devil". Only those who God adopts into his family are *His* children.

He isnt happy or smiling when someone dies who isn't saved-He died for them, but they didn't accept Him. God isn't a cruel God-I personally think that He shed His blood for all of His creation, but only those who choose to follow Him gain salvation.

It's not cruel to justly deal out punishment. Remember, all men are sinners, and nobody deserves to be saved or receive God's mercy. If God decides to show mercy, instead of sending someone to hell, he has the right to do that.

 

[Skala]

I kinda thought someone would say something along these lines. Are you saying that what God does is governed by different laws that what goes on in His creation?

I agree that losing a gift given by another human being is not the same a losing salvation. What I was addressing was the fact that some seem to think that it's impossible to lose one's salvation. If that's true then I can't for the life of me figure out why there are so many warnings in Scripture about staying true to the faith and not going back to one's old lifestyle because they are being persecuted too much as a Christian. That's the thesis of the entire Book of Hebrews. If we can't do that then the book of Hebrews is unnecessary.

Have you ever considered that the warnings in scripture serve as a means to the ends? God intends to save, completely and fully, those He saves. What if God uses those warnings to keep His truly saved children on the right path. They serve as a guide that the saints will indeed follow.

If salvation is God's work, and we cannot earn it, how could we lose or mess up what He has done? How could we "unearn it" by any actions we take?

What sin exactly is enough to lose our salvation? Didn't Christ atone for all of our sins, past present and future? If a certain sin makes me lose my salvation, then Christ didn't atone for that sin, did he?

 

[SeraphimsCherub]

Have you ever considered that the warnings in scripture serve as a means to the ends? God intends to save, completely and fully, those He saves. What if God uses those warnings to keep His truly saved children on the right path. They serve as a guide that the saints will indeed follow.

If salvation is God's work, and we cannot earn it, how could we lose or mess up what He has done? How could we "unearn it" by any actions we take?

What sin exactly is enough to lose our salvation? Didn't Christ atone for all of our sins, past present and future? If a certain sin makes me lose my salvation, then Christ didn't atone for that sin, did he?

Amen brother! Plus Christ died for us when we were dead in our sins,and his enemies:Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
WOW!!!

 

[straydog]

Are you saved? If so, how do you know? Plus, how does one get saved? Can you lose it? Will you lose it? Would you ever want to lose it? Did you choose to get saved or did God choose for you? If God chose for you, how do you know God chose you specifically? Is there anything you can do to make God change His mind about that if He did do the choosing? If you aren't saved then why not? This is open to anybody & everybody who wants to contribute to this thread. I want to hear from you.

Saved from what?

 

[SeraphimsCherub]

i got saved from a serious tooth ache the other day.

 

[Hammster]

Saved from what?

Saved from God.

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