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It saddens me that anyone would think that someone else thinks this is a viable option. Especially given that they are Christian. I dunno, maybe ones own doctrine does have something to do with what one thinks someone else believes.Then I guess our most merciful action would be to murder all babies to guarantee their eternal life. That makes abortion the ultimate mercy.
Groan.
greatdivide46 said:It saddens me that anyone would think that someone else thinks this is a viable option. Especially given that they are Christian. I dunno, maybe ones own doctrine does have something to do with what one thinks someone else believes.
How's that? To believe that a child is born innocent logically means that murder is OK? I guess I don't get that kind of logic.I don't think anyone believes this, but it is the logical conclusion of what folks here have said they believe.
greatdivide46 said:How's that? To believe that a child is born innocent logically means that murder is OK? I guess I don't get that kind of logic.
I think I'm glad I'm not a Calvinist if this is what they think those that are not Calvinists believe. This is abhorrent. And BTW see Skala's post above. The innocent don't need mercy so how is it merciful to kill the innocent?If you want to ensure that a child will be saved, and they are born innocent, then the most merciful thing you can do is kill them. That way, you are sure they are in heaven.
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OK, you have a point there. I guess then, God lets the innocent into heaven because they are not guilty of sin. No mercy involved in that, apparently.An innocent person doesn't need mercy, by very definition.
greatdivide46 said:I think I'm glad I'm not a Calvinist if this is what they think those that are not Calvinists believe. This is abhorrent. And BTW see Skala's post above. The innocent don't need mercy so how is it merciful to kill the innocent?
I believe that maybe not all babies go to Heaven.
From a human perspective, babies are probably innocent. From God's perspective, they might not be innocent. Well, Adam & Eve were created innocent. However, I am not sure if each human is born exactly as the first two humans were created. Therefore, I believe God somehow asks each aborted baby to choose Christ or Satan.Babies are innocent. They are born that way. So now, which do you suppose might not "make the cut"?
From a human perspective, babies are probably innocent. From God's perspective, they might not be innocent. Well, Adam & Eve were created innocent. However, I am not sure if each human is born exactly as the first two humans were created. Therefore, I believe God somehow asks each aborted baby to choose Christ or Satan.
I think you're right! I must be because I can't believe that anyone would think that some else believes its somehow merciful to murder innocent babies to insure they get to heaven. In fact I can't even believe that a brother or sister in Christ would even suggest such a thing.I think you are missing the point.
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greatdivide46 said:I think you're right! I must be because I can't believe that anyone would think that some else believes its somehow merciful to murder innocent babies to insure they get to heaven. In fact I can't even believe that a brother or sister in Christ would even suggest such a thing.
Yep, I guess so.Nobody is. That's why I think you're missing the point.
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God is Love, God is our Father, God is concerned about innocent people (Jonah 4: 10 But the LORD said, You have been concerned about this plant, though you did not tend it or make it grow. It sprang up overnight and died overnight. 11 And should I not have concern for the great city of Nineveh, in which there are more than a hundred and twenty thousand people who cannot tell their right hand from their left).So all babies go to heaven, in your view bling?
On what basis?
God as the Creator does have some responsibility for and toward what He has created. (We all understand this relationship as responsible parents, we can be held accountable until our children become mature). The babies have done nothing to deserve heaven so God does not owe them a place in heaven, but neither have these babies have done anything wrong to deserve hell. So what should a Loving God do with them? We know Adam and Eve did not deserve to be in the Garden prior to sinning, but that is where God allowed them to stay.1) They are innocent and righteous, therefore go to heaven because God owes it to them
2) They are sinners and guilty, but God bestows mercy on them
Which is it?
This always comes up, because people do not keep the objective in mind.Then I guess our most merciful action would be to murder all babies to guarantee their eternal life. That makes abortion the ultimate mercy.
Groan.
greatdivide46 said:Yep, I guess so.
No one is advocating infanticide or abortion. Nor is anyone accusing someone else of that view. What we are saying is that if the view is correct that children are born with sin, real or imputed, then it would be better for them to be killed in infancy and be guaranteed a place in heaven (a good thing), than be allowed to grow up with a 50/50 chance of going to hell (a bad thing).
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This always comes up, because people do not keep the objective in mind.
The objective is not to someday get to heaven.
Going to heaven is one of the God given incentives to help mature adult humans fulfill their earthly objective.
People that die before ever reaching the maturity they need, will never fulfill their earthly objective, so they will enter heaven with only a child for wonderful parent type of love and not Godly type Love.
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