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They are real choices. That's is the problem. The unregenerate can physically choose to trust in Christ. ....
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His ability to chose against his nature does not make the choice unreal.Romulas 1XI0 said:What ? Absolutely wrong. How can the unregenerate choose against his evil nature as has been expounded so much.
No then they are not real choices. Just like a drug addict. He might harbor a notion to quit but the addiction means he has no real choice but to carry on.
Romans 1:20: For since the creation of the world Gods invisible qualitieshis eternal power and divine naturehave been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
What ? Absolutely wrong. How can the unregenerate choose against his evil nature as has been expounded so much.
No then they are not real choices. Just like a drug addict. He might harbor a notion to quit but the addiction means he has no real choice but to carry on.
Has God ever asked us to breathe air ever?Where did it say than in that verse?
JoeyArnold said:Has God ever asked us to breathe air ever?
Well, when you put it that way, maybe not.So are you saying that God CAN lie, but that He won't?
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When I asked you if God ever commands us to breathe air. You decided not to answer. See, God didn't exactly command us to breathe air because that is too obvious. There is not much of a choice in that.What does that have to do with the verse you quoted?
JoeyArnold said:When I asked you if God ever commands us to breathe air. You decided not to answer. See, God didn't exactly command us to breathe air because that is too obvious. There is not much of a choice in that.
Historically when God commands people have met Him with mixed reactions.It's not that I decided not to answer. It's that you asked it after I responded to your post where you quoted from Proverbs. I'm trying to determine the connection.
JoeyArnold said:Historically when God commands people have met Him with mixed reactions.
Remember that when Moses asked Pharaoh, he said no until the very end.I still don't see the connection between the verse quoted and the question asked.
OK. Only the concept of a truly free will can do justice to the many passages that picture God's blessings and punishments as conditioned upon human choices (see Deuteronomy 11:26-28 for example). There are many other verses, too numerous to list that illustrate this.Originally posted by Skala
What you really need to do is prove your belief from scripture. You must prove that scripture allows for the power of contrary choice. And I must do the same for my view. Then we'll see who has better scripture support, right?
JoeyArnold said:Remember that when Moses asked Pharaoh, he said no until the very end.
Agreed. If the natural man cannot choose not to sin then he cannot be held responsible for his sin.If the natural man cannot choose not to sin then he cannot be held responsible for his sin.
Pharaoh first would say no but then he said yes.And what does THIS have to do with Proverbs 3 and breathing?
JoeyArnold said:Pharaoh first would say no but then he said yes.
When you ask about relevance it reminds me of when a defendant in a court of law says that to a judge. It distracts from what I am trying to say.And how does that answer my question?
JoeyArnold said:When you ask about relevance it reminds me of when a defendant in a court of law says that to a judge. It distracts from what I am trying to say.
JoeyArnold said:Agreed. If the natural man cannot choose not to sin then he cannot be held responsible for his sin.
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