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The problem with this point is that the Gospel of John is an historical account. John is writing in the past tense, what has already happened, not the present tense.
Continuing with the questions in the OP.
Q 10. WHAT IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST AND WHEN DO PEOPLE RECEIVE IT?
SUMMARY SO FAR AND PUTTING IT TOGETHER
We have looked at and ideitified who the HARLOT WOMAN sitting on the scarlet colored BEAST is and let the scriptures define these symbols which the bible alone says that the MYSTERY HARLOT NAMED BABYLON represents the UNFAITHFUL MOTHER CHURCH of all Churches which also has UNFAITHFUL DAUGHTER CHURCHES * REVELATION 14:8; 17:1-5; 18:1-10. We have also seen through God’s WORD that it is NOT the people in these CHURCHES that God are the problem but what they teach the people which leads them away from God’s Word and that God has his people in ALL of these Churches and is calling them out to worship him in Spirit and in TRUTH according to the Word of God *REVELATION 18:1:4. We also saw that a BEAST in bible prophecy represents a KINGDOM while a HORN on a BEAST represents a KING that may come out of that KINGDOM *DANIEL 7:23-25
We also looked the HEBREW and GREEK meanings of MARK; SEAL and SIGN and compared these word meanings with the scriptures found in REVELATION 13:6; REVELATION 7:4-10; DEUTERONOMY 6:8; EZEKIEL 9:1-11; EXEKIEL 20:11-12; All of which liked the servitude of OBEDIENCE to God’s 10 Commandments to God’s SEAL; SIGN and MARK (which all have a similar meaning) or servitude to DISOBEDIENCE to God’s Commandments. *REVELATION 14:8-12. As the MARK is a symbol of SERVITUDE to God’s WORD and OBEDIENCE or SERVITUDE to the BEAST and DISOBEDIENCE we saw that RECEIVING the BEASTS MARK of DISOBEDIENCE in the HAND or the FOREHEAD means; *HAND = To act out or to do action (Ecclesiastes 9:10; Acts 4:28 etc) *FOREHAND = To believe or think (EZEKIEL 3:8-9; JEREMIAH 3:3 see also word meanings).
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CONCLUSION: The MARK OF THE BEAST is a SYMBOL OF SERVITUDE to the BEAST of REVELATION 13 and REVELATION 14; REVELATION 17 and REVELATION 18 which is influenced by the MOTHER OF ALL UNFAITHFUL CHURCHES. This MARK is received in the HAND which means to act out and do what the BEAST commands in WORSHIPPING the BEASTS image (you do not have to believe the BEAST), while to receive the MARK in the FOREHEAD means to BELIEVE and do what the BEAST commands *REVELATION 13:15-16. Those who are SEALED by GOD serve him through OBEDIENCE and SERVITUDE to God’s WORD *REVELATION 12:17; REVELATION 14:12; REVELATION 22:14. They do not bow down to the BEASTS FALSE IMAGE of WORSHIP and before the final judgments of God are poured out GOD calls all his true people to leave these CHURCHES to whorship and follow him in Spirit and in Truth.
The MARK OF THE BEAST AND THE SEAL OF GOD is received over servitude doing what the BEAST asks resulting in DISOBEDIENCE to God’s WORD or BELIEVING and FOLLOWING what God asks us through his WORD and disobeying what the BEAST asks us. The issue will be over WORSHIP. Who do we worship, God by believing and following his WORD or the BEAST by following the teaching and traditions of men that lead us away from God to break his Commandments *REVELATION 13:8; 13:12; 13:15; 14:7; 14:11;
The issue of worship is over God’s 4th Commandment of the 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of GOOD and EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172
This results in a people of GOD who keep ALL THE COMMANDMENTS of God by faith in God’s WORD. REVELATION 22:9; REVELATION 12:17; REVELATION 14:12; REVELATION 22:14. The issue is over OBEDIENCE and DISOBEDIENCE.
No one has received the MARK OF THE BEAST until it become ENFORCED UNDER CIVIL LAW. The issue will be over worship. Do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God’s WORD and keep ALL THE COMMANDMETNS of GOD or do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW the MOTHER OF HARLOTS *The MOTHER of all UNFAITHFUL CHURCHES, and RECEIVE the MARK of the BEAST? Which will you choose?
God bless.
Your 'opinions' 'interpretations' etc, are very wide of the mark my friend. Its what 'you' have read from scripture. Its what 'you' and your church believe.
Not really brother. You can see they are not my opinions but God's WORD.
You read Gods word and then interpret it to suit your very own 'individual' beliefs.
And many scholars are wrong.Some scholars believe John was written much earlier!
Not at all brother please read post # 182 linked click me and the scriptures provided there showing the rules for prophetic interpretation of the symbols used in the prophetic scriptures which is to let God's Word interpret itself. The scriptures provided in all the posts here are letting God's WORD interpret intself.
2 PETER 1:19-21
[19], We have also a more sure word of prophecy; to which you do well that you take heed, as unto a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: [20], Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of one's own interpretation. [21], For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
If you want to understand bible prophecy we need to let God's WORD interpret itself. This is the approach we have taken here with the scriptures that are shared from God's WORD
Hope this helps.
God bless
And many scholars are wrong.
Just a thought.
Your words are written to explain the scripture you have quoted.
Partly true brother but not completely. Scripture was used to interpret scripture which is the rule for prophetic interpretations
2 PETER 1:19-21
[19], We have also a more sure word of prophecy; to which you do well that you take heed, as unto a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: [20], Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of one's own interpretation. [21], For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
The reason there is so many different interpretations of prophecy is because people put their own privat interpretation on the scriptures. This has not been done in the posts and the scriptures provided here. God's WORD interprets the meaning of the symbols used in these scriptures.
Hope this helps.
I disagree. You have included your very own interpretations.
So you would agree with the points listed below (bible.org) and take an early date.You misread what has been written.
The Apostle Peter said it best. (and NO, it has NOTHING to do with circumcision --- why would that be as described?)
Acts 15:10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear?
It helps if you read the whole chapter in deciding what the actual topic was, that was under debate in Jerusalem.Hi Steve,
ACTS 15 has everything to do with CIRCUMCISION as this is the CONTEXT of the CHAPTER and it is the reason the APOSTLE PAUL and Barnabas went to Jerusalem. Your missing the context, let's see why? Let's look at the chapter context in v1-2
ACTS 15:1-2
[1], And certain men who came down from Judea taught the brethren, and said, EXCEPT YOU BE CIRCUMCISED AFTER THE MANNER OF MOSES, YOU CANNOT BE SAVED.
NOTE: v1 defines the CONTEXT of the chapted and it was that the JEWISH Believers came to the gentiles stating that UNLESS they are CIRCUMCISED after the manner of Moses they cannot be saved. Note the issue here is that the JEWISH believers were claiming that CIRCUMCISION was a requirement for salvation.
[2], When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and dispute with them, THEY DETERMINED THAT PAUL AND BARNABAS AND CERTAIN OF THEM, SHOULD GO UP TO JERUSALEM UNTO THE APOSTLES AND ELDERS ABOUT THIS QUESTION.
NOTE: Which question were was PAUL and BARNABAS going to Jerusalem to discuss with the APOSTLES? IF CIRCUMCISION WAS A REQUIREMENT FOR SALVATION for the gentile believers. So the CONTEXT of ACTS 15, the topic of conversation and the issue was; IS CIRCUMCISION A REQUIREMENT OF SALVATION for Gentile believers.
Hope this helps and thanks for sharing your thoughts.
It helps if you read the whole chapter in deciding what the actual topic was, that was under debate in Jerusalem.
Acts 15:1
Some men came down from Judea and began teaching the brethren, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.”
Acts 15:5
But some of the sect of the Pharisees who had believed stood up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to direct them to observe the Law of Moses.
Acts 15:10
Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?
The yoke is the law, which burdened both the apostles and their fathers. We have the specific mention of the law, 'and to direct them to observe the Law of Moses'.
This matter is beyond any debate, because the text specified the topic that was debated.
Circumcision is an abbreviation for the law, and it is often used that way in the scripture.
Let's assume that the whole debate was really about circumcision. The advice that the council in Jerusalem returned, was in conflict with that idea. The council recommended abstaining from sexual immorality, which has nothing to do with the question of circumcision. So you see that the debate revolved around whether, Gentiles were now under the law as Christians.
Why would it be odd if the bible never ever uses the word Sunday? The word Sunday is not even mentioned in the bible. It is a word that along with our current week day names are pagan in origin and not biblical.
In God's WORD the days of the week were all numbered according to God's nomenculture and counting system that had it's origin from GENESIS. Day 1, Day 2, Day 3, Day 4 Day 5, Day 6 also called PREPARATION DAY BEFORE THE SABBATH and God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH. These were the names of all the days of the week in both the HEBREW and GREEK scriptures and all revolved around God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH of God's 4th Commandment *EXODUS 20:8-11.
The MARK OF THE BEAST is over worship and keeping of the commandments of God
No reason at all for the bible to mention that. My point had nothing to do with terminology/nomenclature, it had everything to do with the problem of Sunday worship the SDA's feel is a broken commandment that will get us in trouble, or as you put it "following God's commandments".
You found a way to completely ignore my point by making it about something that it very obviously is not...my misunderstanding of SDA views. You only needed look at the question marks in my post to know what I was getting at, yet you did not address a single comment. I know exactly what the SDA views on this are, you don't need to explain any of it. You chose to pretend I misunderstood SDA views in order to evade my questions and that is a very bad sign.
Why are you telling me that, what made you think I didn't understand that, and that needed addressing more than my clear points/questions?
And that is exactly what I addressed.
Would you please stick with the point of my questions? If you still don't understand what that is, I'll be happy to try to make it clearer. I shrunk the post to just what you quoted so there is no confusion. Think of it this way, again, I know SDA views, and have for years, you don't need to address that, you need to address why in all the bible with all the specific lists of things that will get us sent to Hell, why is the sin you mention never mentioned as one of those, not once?
Don't you find it odd that the Bible never once mentions Sunday worship as the huge problem you do, when it does mention all the other sins that can get us into trouble? And the things that it does mention are not wrapped up in a mystery that can only be unraveled by man, meaning we have to depend on man in order to know what's wrong and right and not what the Bible clearly and simply says, something that could get us into big trouble.
FWIW, here are those scriptures, and please notice, there is not so much as a hint to what SDA thinks is a huge problem...nothing:
1 Cor 6:9-10 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor homosexual offenders, nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were.
Gal 5:19-21 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Eph 5:3-6 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people. Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. For of this you can be sure: No sexually immoral, impure or greedy person—such a person is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them.
Rev. 22:12-16 “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”
Matt 25:41-46 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
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