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Are you a sinner after confessing Christ is Lord?

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No you are not. You are a new creation and all things are new the old is gone.

To many churches are still teaching from an old covenant understanding.
If you are in Christ you are not a sinner. Again because of this false teaching that we are all sinners. Is a lie from the pit of hell.
 

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We may fall short at times (and we certainly should NOT look at salvation as a liscence to do so), yet after Jesus, 'sinner' is no longer our identity. No we are a NEW creation!
 
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Interesting question.
I hear say " I am a sinner washed in the blood of Jesus".
So we acknowledge that we still sin and will always need God to forgive us.

But are we a sinner? I'd have to say No. Otherwise what will distinguish us from real sinners who do not know God and do not even want to know Him?

If sinner describes our nature, then we are not sinners.
Paul tells us that we are saints, set apart to do God's work.
We are a new creation, as others have said, our nature is aligned with what God would want of His creation, the Holy Spirit indwells so we cannot be called a sinner.

But we will sin from time to time and must humble ourselves before God and keep our sin nature under submission to the Holy Spirit.
 
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You're a sinner if you're a sinner, at least in terms of the most basic definition of the term, and all of us are sinners, saved or not.

The difference...we are expected to try not to sin as believers in Christ, and if we do sin, we ask forgiveness and move on. If we live in perpetual sin without concern for forgiveness and call ourselves believers in Christ, we are only fooling ourselves. The latter there is often referred to as "a sinner", meaning they are up for sin anytime, while a Christian should not be, and though it may happen on occasion, he/she does not condone sin, and shows it by their actions of trying not to sin..

Being saved as it were, doesn't stop sin completely, but it changes our sin nature. It's nothing mystical either, our sin nature is changed because we simply choose to try to obey God now...we have dedicated ourselves to that.

Anyone that says we can go on sinning as we did before, and not concern ourselves with it because we are now saved, is a liar. A liar that tells others what they want to hear. Because they tell one what they want to here, they may seem like the greatest most understanding, loving, forgiving, and non judgmental people in the world to us, maybe even just like Jesus, but they are fakes, and teach a false doctrine.
 
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Have you sinned at all since your baptism? If your answer is yes, then you are, in fact, a sinner. It doesn't have to mean that you're unrepentant, only that sinning is part of your (fallen) nature, just like everyone else. If your answer is no, then you're a liar, for
if we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Holiness isn't a one-time deal; it's something to pursue. You don't cease to be a sinner unless you somehow manage to remove all sin from your life. Likewise, you don't cease to be a saint just because you have some sins that you keep falling into. If you're repentant, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
 
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Interesting question.
I hear say " I am a sinner washed in the blood of Jesus".
So we acknowledge that we still sin and will always need God to forgive us.

But are we a sinner? I'd have to say No. Otherwise what will distinguish us from real sinners who do not know God and do not even want to know Him?

If sinner describes our nature, then we are not sinners.
Paul tells us that we are saints, set apart to do God's work.
We are a new creation, as others have said, our nature is aligned with what God would want of His creation, the Holy Spirit indwells so we cannot be called a sinner.

But we will sin from time to time and must humble ourselves before God and keep our sin nature under submission to the Holy Spirit.

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If you are one, What would you say is the New Creation, what makes it New?

If you say you still have a sin nature, then what was Re-Created?
 
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Being saved as it were, doesn't stop sin completely, but it changes our sin nature. It's nothing mystical either, our sin nature is changed because we simply choose to try to obey God now...we have dedicated ourselves to that.

How is your sin nature actually changed, if you don't stop sinning?
Then what are you saved from, if all you have done is chose to try to obey?

You said it correctly.
"You're a sinner, if you're a sinner"

Rom. 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

So then you are either in the Flesh or in the Spirit, you cannot be both, for the one is the Sinful Nature of man, and the other is the Born Again New Creation of God in the Holy Spirit.

Gal. 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Does Christ sin?
 
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We are making this too complicated. A sinner is one who sins. If you believe you sin, can't stopped sinning, and will sin in the future, then you are a sinner.

Can't say that you are not a smoker, if you know you will smoke ...but just less frequently than you did before. Whether you smoke a little or a lot, whether you just feel bad about smoking now when before you didnt,..... you are still a smoker.
 
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We are making this too complicated. A sinner is one who sins. If you believe you sin, can't stopped sinning, and will sin in the future, then you are a sinner.

Can't say that you are not a smoker, if you know you will smoke ...but just less frequently than you did before. Whether you smoke a little or a lot, whether you just feel bad about smoking now when before you didnt,..... you are still a smoker.

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If you steal things are you a thief, even if you only steal things once in awhile, and they are small things like clothes, not stocks and bonds like you use to?

What if you repent and say you won't steal any more, but you do.
I did steal, I do steal, I will steal in the future, Jesus freed me from stealing, but I know I need to stop stealing on my own because Jesus, cant take away my ability to willfully steal which I will always have, because I am still here on earth physically.
 
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If you steal things are you a thief, even if you only steal things once in awhile, and they are small things like clothes, not stocks and bonds like you use to?

What if you repent and say you won't steal any more, but you do?
I did steal I ado steal, I will steal in the future, Jesus freed me from stealing, but I know I need to stop stealing on my own because Jesus, cant take away my ability to willfully steal which I will always have, because I am still here on earth physically.
Having the ability to do something is different from saying you will do it in the future. There are people who say that they know they will sin in the future and know they cant stop.......these are sinners, are they not?

If you repent from stealing, you are no longer a thief. Once you put stealing back in your mind, you have turned back to it and are again a thief either before you steal your next them......
 
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Are you a sinner after confessing Christ is Lord?

1 John 1:8 was written to Christians;

8) If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
By definition, one who sins is a sinner. Christians are sinners, saved by Grace.
 
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Having the ability to do something is different from saying you will do it in the future. There are people who say that they know they will sin in the future and know they cant stop.......these are sinners, are they not?

If you repent from stealing, you are no longer a thief. Once you put stealing back in your mind, you have turned back to it and are again a thief either before you steal your next them......

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Yes, anyone who does not stop, will not stop, or cannot stop sinning is a sinner.
I am pretty sure, sinning is the definition of what a sinner is.

Whereas, anyone who cannot sin is the definition a Christian,

Rom. 6:7
For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Rom 6:10,11
10) For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11) Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
 
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was written to Christians;

8) If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
By definition, one who sins is a sinner. Christians are sinners, saved by Grace.

Yes John did write that in 1 John 1:8 John says

But in Chapter 1 John 3:

1Jn 3:8-10)
8) He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9) Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10) In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Why does John knowingly blatantly contradict himself?
 
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No you are not. You are a new creation and all things are new the old is gone.

To many churches are still teaching from an old covenant understanding.
If you are in Christ you are not a sinner. Again because of this false teaching that we are all sinners. Is a lie from the pit of hell.
Hi John, I guess it depends on what your definition of a "sinner" actually is (specifically, how "loose" your definition is).

That we who are His are all "forgiven" (sinners) in undoubted, and that is the best that we can ever hope to be, "forgiven" that is, on this side of Glory anyway .. cf James 2:10-11 (as only One has ever walked among us who was/is 'inherently' innocent and righteous).

So what do you mean, exactly?

1. That a Christian NEVER sins in deed/speech/thought?
2. That we can still sin at times, but that sin is no longer the defining characteristic of our lives (and that whenever we do sin, we act in a manner that out of character as Christians)?
3. Something else?​

Thanks!

--David
 
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Why does John knowingly blatantly contradict himself?
Are you asking yourself that question as well ;)

Here are some thoughts on the matter (concerning what the Apostle has written about this in his First Epistle) from a small portion of Dr. Boise's commentary if you'd care to read them:


Can a Christian Sin?

The point that John makes is inescapable, for it is made strongly: Sin has no place in the Christian life. However, the fact that he makes it strongly produces a problem. John says that the one who abides in Christ does not sin. But is that really true? Can we say that? Or again, since John has already written, “If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives” (1 John 1:10), can we even believe that John is consistent? Ought we not rather simply to discount his words on sin entirely? The difficulty in dealing with these and similar questions has produced a wide variety of interpretations of these verses by commentators.

1. The first interpretation goes back to the days of the early church and is reflected by some Reformation theologians. It restricts the “sin” in this passage to particularly heinous sins—murder and the like. In Catholic theology the distinction is expressed as that between mortal and venial sins. It is enough to answer in reply to this interpretation that, in addition to the fact that John is obviously not making any such distinctions in the passage, Christians do on occasion commit heinous sins. Besides, in the Bible’s evaluation sins such as murder are not necessarily more evil than sins of the spirit such as pride, of which all are guilty.

2. A second view is that what is sin in an unbeliever is not so regarded by God in the life of a believer. But this is simply not true. Sin is sin, wherever it is found. Moreover, it is probably the development of this precise double standard by the Gnostics that John is opposing.

3. Some have distinguished between the old nature and the new nature in a believer, arguing that the new nature cannot sin because it is from God. This is true in a sense and may even be supported by statements such as “Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit” (John 3:6), drawn from the Gospel. But it is dangerous, for it can easily suggest that the individual is not responsible for the sins of the old nature or that he need not fight against them. One might argue that Paul makes such a distinction in Romans 7. But whether it is actually this distinction or not, it is surely a sufficient answer to note that John at least is not making any such distinction here. Indeed, he is calling for the individual Christian to turn from sin to righteousness; he is not calling upon the Christian to allow one nature rather than the other to dominate him.

4. A more recent and quite widespread interpretation of these verses is that John is here speaking of an ideal. But if this is so, the question must then be asked, “Did he expect Christians to attain the ideal in his life?” If he did, we have not escaped the problem; we have only changed its contours. On the other hand, if he did not, then his entire moral test becomes meaningless.

5. There is a qualified form of the idea of an ideal that is characteristic of the holiness movement. It is the view that John is indeed stating an ideal but that it is an attainable ideal to the extent that the Christian truly “lives” in Christ (1 John 3:6). Here Stott’s reply is incisive. He notes that, while this is a possible interpretation of verse 6 (in which the Christian clearly has an obligation to abide in Christ), nevertheless it is obviously inadequate as an interpretation of 1 John 3:9 (in which all Christians, rather than just some, are included). The only way around this latter difficulty is to suggest that one can be born of God and be sinless, then, as a result of sin, cease to be born; in other words, to be born and unborn repeatedly. But this is contrary to John’s teaching and runs against his entire emphasis on the Christian’s need to be sure of his salvation. The Christian could hardly be sure of his salvation if each sin he committed alienated him from God’s family.

6. The sixth view is that the sin which the Christian cannot do is willful or deliberate sin. But this is only a variation of the first interpretation and is disproved by the acknowledged conduct of all too many Christians. We do sin willfully and deliberately. Consequently, we should not be under any illusions regarding our need to confess our sin and seek cleansing.

7. The last and only adequate interpretation of these verses is that the sin which a Christian cannot commit is lasting or habitual. Here the interpreter is assisted by the tenses of the Greek verbs, all of which are present tense. If John had used an aorist tense as he does, for instance, in 1 John 2:1, he would have been referring to a specific sin committed at some particular point. This Christians do, as the earlier reference tells us. The cure for it is confession before Jesus Christ, our great High Priest and advocate. In this passage, however, John uses the present tense three times to indicate, not a particular sin once committed, but rather a continuance in sin over an indefinite period. Each phrase indicates this. In verse 6 he says that “no one who lives in him keeps on sinning,” that is, “continues in sin indefinitely.” In verse 9 he says that “no one who is born of God will continue to sin.” In English this distinction seems somewhat superficial and even unjustified, but it is not so in the Greek language, in which John wrote. In Greek John is simply saying that although a Christian may sin, and in fact often does sin, it is nevertheless impossible for him to go on persisting in sin indefinitely. Were this not so, righteousness could not be considered a true test of whether or not one is truly a child of God. ~Boice, J. M. (2004). The Epistles of John: an expositional commentary (pp. 88–89). Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books.
--David

1 John 3
9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. (ESV/NASB)
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I asked you.
Why does John knowingly blatantly contradict himself?

Your answer was.
Are you asking yourself that question as well ;)

My answer is.
Sure, I have asked this question of myself, that is why I can accept the answer, these verses do not contradict each other, while it appears you do not believe these verses are reconcilable.

Whereas, if you cannot reconcile these verses, then John to you has contradicted himself.

So I ask, has John contradicted himself?

1Jn 1:8-10
8) If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9) If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1)0 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

1Jn 3:8-10)
8) He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9) Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10) In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil:whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.



 
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No you are not. You are a new creation and all things are new the old is gone.

To many churches are still teaching from an old covenant understanding.
If you are in Christ you are not a sinner. Again because of this false teaching that we are all sinners. Is a lie from the pit of hell.
From the pit's of hell!
 
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1 John 1:8 was written to Christians;

8) If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
By definition, one who sins is a sinner. Christians are sinners, saved by Grace.

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Yeah, that is a past tense statement!:amen: :tutu:
 
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