Are you a dictator?

[Bookofknowledge]

do you expect Muslims to not get angry when people say things to our Prophet Muhammad (SAW)? do you think muslims are not human enough that they don't have the rights to get angry?

 

[Arthra]

Unfortunately I see that apparently not much can be done about this here.. that's why I decided not to open myself to them very much anymore..

I too am very sensitive when people use derision and slander to try to attack Prophet Muhammad... but remember, when people use derision and insult it falls back on them and affects their spiritual well being I believe. People don't see their spirit or the condition of their soul is not as apparent to them as the physical reality but sooner or later these attacks will make themselves felt and the effects are very sad indeed to contemplate.

Anger can really only be responded to with compassion.

When we respond with anger for anger it only makes matters worse:

"Now vengeance, according to reason, is also blameworthy, because through vengeance no good result is gained by the avenger. So if a man strikes another, and he who is struck takes revenge by returning the blow, what advantage will he gain? Will this be a balm for his wound or a remedy for his pain? No, God forbid! In truth the two actions are the same: both are injuries; the only difference is that one occurred first, and the other afterward. Therefore, if he who is struck forgives, nay, if he acts in a manner contrary to that which has been used toward him, this is laudable. The law of the community will punish the aggressor but will not take revenge. This punishment has for its end to warn, to protect and to oppose cruelty and transgression so that other men may not be tyrannical.

But if he who has been struck pardons and forgives, he shows the greatest mercy. This is worthy of admiration."

- Abdul-Baha

 

[talitha]

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[tel0004]

I agree that people need to show more respect. In fact, one way of witnessing for christianity is to be respectful of everybody, and other views. That being said, this is a Christian forum, so you have to expect some people to be disrespectful, but that dosent make it right.

 

[Bookofknowledge]

Basic rule of a guest is when you don't respect the guest who visit your home then you cann't expect respect from your guests when you meet him/her anywhere in this world.

start with the guests of your own home and guide the family members of your own home so that even if they don't want to respect they can atleast fake it so the guest doesn't remember the unfriendly environment for the rest of his/her life.

 

[jlujan69]

Basic rule of a guest is when you don't respect the guest who visit your home then you cann't expect respect from your guests when you meet him/her anywhere in this world.

start with the guests of your own home and guide the family members of your own home so that even if they don't want to respect they can atleast fake it so the guest doesn't remember the unfriendly environment for the rest of his/her life.

It also helps a great deal if guests apply the same principle to themselves. If I'm treated disrespectfully in someone's home, I won't return there. If my guest is disrespectful to my wife or me, he/she won't be invited back short of repentance.

That said, I have a feeling there's more to the OP's post than meets the eye.

 

[talitha]

let me see if I can reply now........

do you expect Muslims to not get angry when people say things to our Prophet Muhammad (SAW)? Assuming that you mean "when people say derogatory things about Muhammed," no, I do not expect you not to get angry. You should exercise some self control, obviously, but I do not expect that either. In the Bible, it says that self-control is a fruit of the Holy Spirit, ie: the Spirit of God who indwells and quickens Christians.

do you think muslims are not human enough that they don't have the rights to get angry? I do see that muslims are human, but I personally believe that only those with the mind of Christ have the right to get angry - and only when they are operating in the mind of Christ. (That's what I posted before, but at that time, I was in the wrong spirit. Now I'm simply telling you what I believe.)

blessings in Christ Jesus
tal

 

[arunma]

do you expect Muslims to not get angry when people say things to our Prophet Muhammad (SAW)? do you think muslims are not human enough that they don't have the rights to get angry?

I have to admit that many Christians here are disrespectful. On the other hand, you have to remember that we consider Mohammad to be a false prophet. I'm not sure how we can say that without making you angry.

 

[Vaneeza Malkah]

I was going to point out though it's already been mentioned that as a host it is my responsibility to treat a guest (invited into my house) with respect. Though a guest who feels he cannot respect the host in his/her house should leave, and any host who cannot respect his/her guest should not invite him/her into his/her home.

 

[Moros]

do you expect Muslims to not get angry when people say things to our Prophet Muhammad (SAW)?

What, like he was a paedophile who married a 9 year old?

 

[peaceful soul]

do you expect Muslims to not get angry when people say things to our Prophet Muhammad (SAW)? do you think muslims are not human enough that they don't have the rights to get angry?

It would depend upon what is said. To say that Mohammad was a warlord or a sinful person would not give you the grounds to get angry. If we say that Mohammad was a child molester, that would be going too far, IMO; but the fact that he had an intimate sexual attraction and relation to a child is not without merit.

I guess that you have to see it from the other side whether something has merit or not. I see Muslims as being offended by almost anything spoken about Mohammad. That is rather bothersome to me if they can't see that Mohammad was much less than a perfect, sinless man. If you want to defend him at all costs while ignoring the obvious deficiencies that non-Muslims see, then that is your perogative as a Muslim.

The reality is that Mohammad ain't no saint by any definition. The issue is are the allegations true about Mohammad. For Muslims that deny any wrong, I should get angry about that.

 

[Bookofknowledge]

It also helps a great deal if guests apply the same principle to themselves. If I'm treated disrespectfully in someone's home, I won't return there. If my guest is disrespectful to my wife or me, he/she won't be invited back short of repentance.

That said, I have a feeling there's more to the OP's post than meets the eye.

Both educated and the less educated person are not equal. if the hosts and the guest disrespect each other or doesn't invite each other after some disrespectful event then they are creating a barrier between each other thus setting an example that shows they are not the people of peace and they do not believe in forgiving each other and trying to resolve the issues.

There is always more to the post if anyone wants to explore...

 

[morningstar2651]

Unfortunately I see that apparently not much can be done about this here.. that's why I decided not to open myself to them very much anymore..

I too am very sensitive when people use derision and slander to try to attack Prophet Muhammad... but remember, when people use derision and insult it falls back on them and affects their spiritual well being I believe. People don't see their spirit or the condition of their soul is not as apparent to them as the physical reality but sooner or later these attacks will make themselves felt and the effects are very sad indeed to contemplate.

Anger can really only be responded to with compassion.

When we respond with anger for anger it only makes matters worse:

"Now vengeance, according to reason, is also blameworthy, because through vengeance no good result is gained by the avenger. So if a man strikes another, and he who is struck takes revenge by returning the blow, what advantage will he gain? Will this be a balm for his wound or a remedy for his pain? No, God forbid! In truth the two actions are the same: both are injuries; the only difference is that one occurred first, and the other afterward. Therefore, if he who is struck forgives, nay, if he acts in a manner contrary to that which has been used toward him, this is laudable. The law of the community will punish the aggressor but will not take revenge. This punishment has for its end to warn, to protect and to oppose cruelty and transgression so that other men may not be tyrannical.

But if he who has been struck pardons and forgives, he shows the greatest mercy. This is worthy of admiration."

- Abdul-Baha

"As soon as you concern yourself with the 'good' and 'bad' of your fellows, you create an opening in your heart for maliciousness to enter. Testing, competing with, and criticizing others weaken and defeat you." -- Morihei Ueshiba, The Art of Peace

 

[Bookofknowledge]

let me see if I can reply now........

do you expect Muslims to not get angry when people say things to our Prophet Muhammad (SAW)? Assuming that you mean "when people say derogatory things about Muhammed," no, I do not expect you not to get angry. You should exercise some self control, obviously, but I do not expect that either. In the Bible, it says that self-control is a fruit of the Holy Spirit, ie: the Spirit of God who indwells and quickens Christians.

I agree with you that people should exercise some self control but are you the one who sets the limits or perhaps do you always know for sure that the person who is reading certain limit of self control?

do you think muslims are not human enough that they don't have the rights to get angry? I do see that muslims are human, but I personally believe that only those with the mind of Christ have the right to get angry - and only when they are operating in the mind of Christ. (That's what I posted before, but at that time, I was in the wrong spirit. Now I'm simply telling you what I believe.)

blessings in Christ Jesus
tal

The mind of Christ? who has the mind of Christ and what about the rest of humans do they not have the rights to get angry?

 

[Bookofknowledge]

I have to admit that many Christians here are disrespectful. On the other hand, you have to remember that we consider Mohammad to be a false prophet. I'm not sure how we can say that without making you angry.

A false Prophet doesn't and cann't call towards righteousness and peace? do you agree with me?

 

[Bookofknowledge]

I was going to point out though it's already been mentioned that as a host it is my responsibility to treat a guest (invited into my house) with respect. Though a guest who feels he cannot respect the host in his/her house should leave, and any host who cannot respect his/her guest should not invite him/her into his/her home.

Inorder to avoid further clashes between hosts and the guest it's good not to invite each other but this is only a temprorary solution and it is not a solution for a long term. One of the drawbacks to such solution would impacts next generation of hosts and guest too.

 

[Bookofknowledge]

What, like he was a paedophile who married a 9 year old?

I don't want to say like this and that but if you insist then I would request you to collect from all the christians who can say bad about Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and count what you have collected which are not repetative and then inform me...

I will post all the good things recorded in Qur'aan and Hadiths - said and done by Prophet Muhammad (SAW) which are not repetative + I will prove the points made by all the christians fall under dictatorship meaning all those christians who will say bad about Prophet Muhammad (SAW) are dictators.

Lets see the goodness exceed or the people who say bad about Prophet Muhammad (SAW) will be proven dictators.

 

[Talcara]

Hi Bookofknowledge,

Lets see the goodness exceed or the people who say bad about Prophet Muhammad (SAW) will be proven dictators.

With all due respect, how does paying out Muhammad (for his marriage to a child - which I believe is pretty sick, IMHO) equal a "dictator"? They are just expressing an opinion - often supported by the evidence. A dictator can be an authoritarian: a person who behaves in an tyrannical manner. In other words, they are oppresive and give out such comments in an unjust severity or arbitary behaviour. They allow no opposition. Does this sound like Christian Forums? No, the non-Islamic users express an opinion and you refute their opinion and then they try to refute yours and on it goes until the both of you just get bored of saying the same thing over and over again. This is called a "dicsussion".

Paying out Muhammad may be mean in some circumstances, but that doesn't make them dictators. If they mistakingly believe something which is false, then it is called "ignorance" - not dicatorship. When you call your siblings mean names or tell lies to them, are you a dictator? There is no difference.

During engaging in discussions with people, I respect my opponents, but I may not respect their beliefs. That said, I generally try not to attack the beliefs except from the evidence.

Bye for now,
Talcara.

 

[Electra]

do you expect Muslims to not get angry when people say things to our Prophet Muhammad (SAW)? do you think muslims are not human enough that they don't have the rights to get angry?

But do you not believe people should be able to critisise and express their opinion?

Not allowing people to express their opinion or critisise what they feel need critisisng are the very characteristiscs of dictatorship.

 

[Bevlina]

do you expect Muslims to not get angry when people say things to our Prophet Muhammad (SAW)? do you think muslims are not human enough that they don't have the rights to get angry?

With all due respect, don't you think Christians become a little angry when Jesus is reduced to a prophet and when it is said the Bible is corrupted? When it is said Jesus was not crucified? We have to look at things from a blanced perspective.