Are women saved through childbrearing?

[PaulAckermann]

But women will be saved through childbearing - if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.
1 Tim 2:15


What does this mean?

 

[Benedicta00]

Let me put it this way, when someone would meet me in public when I had all the kids with me (at onetime I had all boys), I'd hear "You're sure going to heaven."

It means all the things that it takes for us to be good parents is sanctifying.

 

[KJVisTruth]

"Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety."

Notwithstanding suggests a hindrance, like "in spite of the fact." So, whats the fact? Women give birth, and sometimes they cannot be with their men in worship, because of childbearing (to stay in the context of that chapter)... BUT if they "CONTINUE in faith and charity and holiness with sobritety," its all good.

Thats how I understand from that verse, at least.

 

[HisKid1973]

Do you honestly want to know or is there an "Eve/Mary" agenda to this?

 

[Benedicta00]

if there isa Eve/Mary" agenda, i don't see it.

 

[Iollain]

Yes i believe we are a wild bunch and need children to settle some of us down...........hehe

But seriously, good answer KJVisTruth

 

[ThePilgrim]

"Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety."

Notwithstanding suggests a hindrance, like "in spite of the fact." So, whats the fact? Women give birth, and sometimes they cannot be with their men in worship, because of childbearing (to stay in the context of that chapter)... BUT if they "CONTINUE in faith and charity and holiness with sobritety," its all good.

Thats how I understand from that verse, at least.

Actually, that doesn't fit with the wording of the verse. It doesn't say, "Notwithstanding her childbearing, she shall be saved."

Grace and peace,
John

 

[KJVisTruth]

Actually, that doesn't fit with the wording of the verse. It doesn't say, "Notwithstanding her childbearing, she shall be saved."

Grace and peace,
John

Not in the way of salvation, no. Save is "set aside." Women are set aside to give birth.

 

[billwald]

Then only women who ". . . continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety" are permitted to have children? Permitted by whom?

The Bible verse is clear. You one doesn't like it then question somethinge else, not the plain meaning of the verse. <G>

 

[Benedicta00]

Oh my Lord...

It means parenting is hard work and it takes lots sacrificing and some women even die doing it.

It means we are saved (sanctified) through the self giving, self sacrificing...

 

[KJVisTruth]

Then only women who ". . . continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety" are permitted to have children? Permitted by whom?

The Bible verse is clear. You one doesn't like it then question somethinge else, not the plain meaning of the verse. <G>

Permission? *shrug*

Are you familiar with 1 Timothy, chapter 2? Or better yet, that particular book?

 

[Kristos]

Let's look at the at a little more it:
NKJV
Men and Women in the Church


8 I desire therefore that the men pray everywhere, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting; 9 in like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing, 10 but, which is proper for women professing godliness, with good works. 11 Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. 12 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. 15 Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control.

She is Eve when put into context.

Eve will be saved in childbearing refering to the Incarnation.

"they" is more interesting to me.

 

[KJVisTruth]

Its not Eve. She was mentioned because her sin was used as an example, by this Paul showed that women shouldnt interfere with their men in worship... "learn in silence, not to teach nor usurp authority over the man."

Before someone asks about not teaching... thats "over the man," her husband, in spiritual matters.

 

[sunlover1]

I think maybe these two passages work in concert:

1 Timothy 2:14-15
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing,

Genesis 3:16
16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

 

[Benedicta00]

Let's look at the at a little more it:
NKJV
Men and Women in the Church


8 I desire therefore that the men pray everywhere, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting; 9 in like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing, 10 but, which is proper for women professing godliness, with good works. 11 Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. 12 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. 15 Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control.

She is Eve when put into context.

Eve will be saved in childbearing refering to the Incarnation.

"they" is more interesting to me.

and Mary... the new Eve. Alas I see the Eve/Mary connection... agenda

 

[PaulAckermann]

Do you honestly want to know or is there an "Eve/Mary" agenda to this?

Hmmm. I didn't think about that!

 

[PaulAckermann]

Not in the way of salvation, no. Save is "set aside." Women are set aside to give birth.

The Greek word (zoe) is "to be saved" not "set aside". It is the same word used in Ephesian 2:8, 9, where it says "By grace are you saved...". Are we saved by grace or just set aside?

Also, the Greek for "through" (dia) does not connote goal or purpose. It connotes "by means of". If Paul had meant that the women are set aside in order to give birth, he could have use the Greek word eis, which would connote goal or purpose.

So it seems to me, by letting this verse to speak for itself without any preconceived theology, that women are saved (Eph 2:8,9 type of being saved) by the means of childbearing along with having faith, love, and self-control.

 

[HisKid1973]

Hmmm. I didn't think about that!

I was just curious because of some of your past threads...great blessings to you as you desire to draw closer to our lord Jesus..pax..Kim

 

[Kristos]

Its not Eve. She was mentioned because her sin was used as an example, by this Paul showed that women shouldnt interfere with their men in worship... "learn in silence, not to teach nor usurp authority over the man."

Before someone asks about not teaching... thats "over the man," her husband, in spiritual matters.

Then who is it? The she used here is singular - in contrast to the "they" used in the second part of the sentence.

 

[LightDancer]

But women will be saved through childbearing - if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.
1 Tim 2:15


What does this mean?

No, we are saved by our confession that Jesus is the Christ, among other things, which I hope you know of the things I speak. However, this is somewhat of a salvation issue and belongs in Soteriology.

Hopefully, we won't have another "myth" floating around.

If "women" were saved through childbearing, what would happen to young women who die before giving birth?

Please look to this verse:

"There is neither Jew nor Gentile, bond nor free, male nor female... we are all ONE in Christ Jesus."