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Not to live?
He came as a human to die to defeat Satan and sin, but if no one sinned, what purpose was there? That was your question.
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Not to live?
Just after the Fall, we see God walking around in the Garden. "Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the Lord God among the trees of the garden (Genesis 3:8)." It is only speculation, but this implies that He was already "walking around" in human flesh. Even earlier in Genesis 2, we see where God brought the animals to Adam "to see what he would name them (Genesis 2:19)." While it doesn't say what form God was in, I would like to think He was in some kind of human form as opposed to some supernatural form in order to partake in a "Father and son" moment with His child. In Genesis 18, the Lord and two angels appeared to Abraham and enjoyed a meal with him. He was in human flesh at this point, otherwise, He wouldn't have been eating. Now, we don't know if God was in the form of Jesus Christ because it doesn't say and also because Jesus means "God rescues" which doesn't fit these examples of the Lord's appearing to His creation. But, again, I am only speculating. As a side note, God created man to indwell (live inside) him. To be in the image of God is to be a reflection of Him; similar to a reflection one sees in a mirror or a body of water. Salvation is the restoration of the life of God we lost when Adam sinned. That is something only Jesus could accomplish and that is why God became a man. But, that is another conversation. Hope this helps.I know that scripture starts with telling us that God made Adam & Eve in his own image. So my question is not about that. I am asking if we were created as we are because God is like that and we're made in his image? I am not asking if God has hands and feet and a body like a man (or woman).
The core question for me is
Did God create man in his image because it was always and eternally God's intention to be incarnate in Jesus Christ or did God decide to become incarnate because man fell into sin and needed a redeemer who was himself a man?We do need a redeemer so that is not the issue here. But if we suppose, hypothetically, that Adam never fell nor Eve then would God have become incarnate as man - as Jesus Christ?
Being born from above of the Spirit doesn't imply that the body is unimportant or inherently wicked.Outward physical appearance is not as important as what is within a person. Flesh is flesh and spirit is spirit.
John 3 (WEB)
3 Jesus answered him, “Most certainly, I tell you, unless one is born anew, he can’t see God’s Kingdom.”
4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?”
5 Jesus answered, “Most certainly I tell you, unless one is born of water and spirit, he can’t enter into God’s Kingdom. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh. That which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Don’t marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born anew.’ 8 The wind blows where it wants to, and you hear its sound, but don’t know where it comes from and where it is going. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
Okay, thanksHe came as a human to die to defeat Satan and sin, but if no one sinned, what purpose was there? That was your question.
The Word was God ... and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us (from the Gospel According to John chapter one).
Romans 5:14I know that scripture starts with telling us that God made Adam & Eve in his own image. So my question is not about that. I am asking if we were created as we are because God is like that and we're made in his image? I am not asking if God has hands and feet and a body like a man (or woman).
The core question for me is
Did God create man in his image because it was always and eternally God's intention to be incarnate in Jesus Christ or did God decide to become incarnate because man fell into sin and needed a redeemer who was himself a man?We do need a redeemer so that is not the issue here. But if we suppose, hypothetically, that Adam never fell nor Eve then would God have become incarnate as man - as Jesus Christ?
Do you believe that is the only reason for creating man in Christ's image?
Yet man is made a physical being and it is the whole man including his physical being that is the image of God.
Jesus is God and he has a human body so why can't we look like God?As God is a Spirit we cannot look like God as we are physical.
Neither can we look like Jesus unless that likeness is to be human.
Jesus is God and he has a human body so why can't we look like God?
The kind that distinguishes a human being from a cute little kitty?Genetics.
The kind that distinguishes a human being from a cute little kitty?
in order for man to commune with God, he needs to be sanctified. this sanctification was needed before the fall event, the fall event simply exposes our need for sanctification but it does not create it. the fall event would set in motion a different way to obtain sanctification which seems to have been automatic and in ignorance before the fall but would have still existed. A perfect piece of paper will burn just as quick as a tarnished one when exposed to fire. We are the piece of paper, God is the fire and it really doesn't matter what we look like, in order for us to meet God, we simply cannot do it alone.if we suppose, hypothetically, that Adam never fell nor Eve then would God have become incarnate as man - as Jesus Christ?
...God's intention to be incarnate in Jesus Christ or did God decide to become incarnate because man fell into sin and needed a redeemer who was himself a man?
We do need a redeemer so that is not the issue here. But if we suppose, hypothetically, that Adam never fell nor Eve then would God have become incarnate as man - as Jesus Christ?
John 1:14, "Word became flesh"Where does the Bible say God incarnated?
I know only that God lives in Jesus and also in disciples of Jesus, but I don’t think that is the same as being incarnated.
Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I tell you, I speak not from myself; but the Father who lives in me does his works.
John 14:10
Don't you know that you are a temple of God, and that God's Spirit lives in you?
1 Corinthians 3:16
Son of Man was Jesus physically flesh and blood.Jesus is God and he has a human body so why can't we look like God?
makes sense that "Son of Man" might emphasize the human nature, whereas "Son of God" would emphasize the Divine nature?Son of Man was Jesus physically flesh and blood.
Son of God was Jesus invisible. In other words Jesus' divinity was invisible to us just the way the Father is invisible to us.
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
God is invisible therefore the part of Jesus that was the image of God must also be invisible. The Divine glory of God.
I think that makes some sense, I hope.
Yet there is one person, Jesus Christ. It is worth resisting every temptation to make from the one man, Jesus Christ, two persons.makes sense that "Son of Man" might emphasize the human nature, whereas "Son of God" would emphasize the Divine nature?