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Dear sister in Christ I don't intend to be harsh to you, please excuse me if I have come across that way. I am really trying to understand Where is this found in the Bible? God does not change, sin is sin, transgression of Gods law. Christ is not a minister of sin, He never condones us walking contrary to Gods instructions.I would agree, with the exception of believing that the New Testament context references the fulfilled law - the law written on our hearts. We still have the "law", but not in the same context of the strict Mosaic law. Rather it is in the context of the spiritual law written on our hearts upon rebirth and regeneration. After all, Jesus did not come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it. We must follow the fulfilled law of Christ.
I certainly agree with Matthew 5:17 (see my post that I believe was written as you wrote your latest postFriend - Jesus came against the Pharisees adding things to Gods law and teaching law while being hypocrites. He said himself I have not come to abolish the law and the prophets Matthew 5:17. These noahide laws you are speaking of where is this biblical? Also where is the law carved up into 3 parts moral ceremonial and social. Those things are not exactly Biblical. The Bible I read does not carve up and justify not keeping Gods instructions nor does it classify anything like noahide laws for gentiles only. I am not sure where you have embarked on those doctrines but I have never come across them in the Bible. If you can point me to where the Bible devides up the law I will stand corrected.
Forgive me for leaving this right now, but I need to get back to work. I will respond to this soon once I am free to spend more time without interfering with my job.Dear sister in Christ I don't intend to be harsh to you, please excuse me if I have come across that way. I am really trying to understand Where is this found in the Bible? God does not change, sin is sin, transgression of Gods law. Christ is not a minister of sin, He never condones us walking contrary to Gods instructions.
I'm praying that God will miraculously grant me your writing skills!My belief (and again we can agree to disagree) is that there are laws that were specific to the people of Israel (not to be confused with "spiritual Israel" or any other way of describing the New Covenant. The rest of my post refers to this description.). Paul repeatedly refers to the law being written on our hearts. Would you agree?
I don't believe that James was stating that the only sins for Gentiles are violating the Noahide laws. Rather, that is essentially the starting point of what the Jewish Church upheld for Gentiles. We indeed have the commands from Christ, and from the inspired Word of God. However, there were a set of rules given to the people of Israel, in particular the sacrificial laws and to an extent, the Mosaic laws - especially in the legalistic form found by many of the teachers of the Jewish faith at the time of Jesus.
The Mosaic law can be divided into three parts or sections, roughly the moral, social and ceremonial laws. (Do you believe we still need to follow the ceremonial laws?). Now Jesus stated some of the laws in the New Testament, the greatest of which is to Love our neighbor as ourselves (simplified wording). The fulfilled law embodies the moral principles found in the law of Moses. Paul calls this the "righteousness of the law - Romans 8;2. These principles are commanded of the spirit-directed life. Check out Romans 6-8.
The Mosaic law was primarily a covenant for Israel to govern her life in the promised land. These laws covered all spheres of life, including moral, social, political economical and religious precepts. While these were specifically given for the guidance of Israel, there are many moral laws that continued in the spirit of the law. Again, you can see this in Jesus' commandments and the writings of the New Testament epistles. However, the strict implementation of these laws cannot save us. The Mosaic law maintained a proper relationship between God and His people Israel until the coming of Christ. It guided Israel as a prototype of the spiritual law continued by Christ once He fulfilled the law.
Our Lord did not destroy the law, but it no longer is based on human actions, but on the Grace of God and the desire to follow His direction for our lives. Our God Incarnate came to fulfill the law. Now that our eternal Paschal lamb has been given to us, through our second birth, we live the law in the true sense as God intended it. The strict Mosaic law was a guardian until the coming of Christ - a prototype of the fulfilled law upon the coming of our Lord and Savior. Ultimately, we are not subject to the Mosaic law, but we are subject to walking by the Spirit of the Law - the fulfilled law, through faith and assistance of the Holy Spirit. We cannot avoid living the life God calls us to live, but must seek to become more like Christ.
As it is written in Romans 6:3-6:
"Know ye not, that so many of us were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into His death? Therefore we are buried with Him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of His death, we shall be also in the likeness of His resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin."
That is the main point to remember. We walk in newness of life, and we should not serve sin, but rather life in the likeness of His resurrection. Our old lives are buried with Him and are put to death, and our new lives should be conformed not to the world, but to God.
I hope this is helpful in explaining my beliefs. By no means do we need to agree, but I do hope this helps show why I believe what I believe.
Thanks for listing those!One more quick point about sections of law (It's hard to stop thinking about Theology once I get into it!)
Here is an example of separation in Leviticus:
http://www.padfield.com/acrobat/ot/leviticus.pdf
I. Sacrifice (1-17)II. Sanctification (18-27)
A. The Laws of Sacrifice for Approach to God (1-7)
B. The Laws of the Priests (8-10)
C. The Laws Regarding Purity (11-15)
D. The Laws of National Atonement (16-17)
A. The Laws of Sanctification for God’s People (18-20)
B. The Laws of Sanctification for God’s Priests (21-22)
C. The Laws of Sanctification in Worship (23-24)
D. The Laws of Sanctification in the Land of Canaan (25-26)
E. The Laws of Sanctification and Vows (27)
Thank you! I'm glad it made sense.I'm praying that God will miraculously grant me your writing skills!
Thanks for the reply, I will look and study on this so give me a little time to reply I don't just want to rattle something off without taking the time to review your postOne more quick point about sections of law (It's hard to stop thinking about Theology once I get into it!)
Here is an example of separation in Leviticus:
http://www.padfield.com/acrobat/ot/leviticus.pdf
I. Sacrifice (1-17)II. Sanctification (18-27)
A. The Laws of Sacrifice for Approach to God (1-7)
B. The Laws of the Priests (8-10)
C. The Laws Regarding Purity (11-15)
D. The Laws of National Atonement (16-17)
A. The Laws of Sanctification for God’s People (18-20)
B. The Laws of Sanctification for God’s Priests (21-22)
C. The Laws of Sanctification in Worship (23-24)
D. The Laws of Sanctification in the Land of Canaan (25-26)
E. The Laws of Sanctification and Vows (27)
Yes. Seriously. I will not entertain a conspiracy theory that somehow Germanic tribes held unbroken lines of Babylonian customs. It's benighted at best.
The Chronography of 354 explicitly shows that Saturnalia and Christmas did not overlap. So there is no "1-2 day" wiggleroom that somehow allowed them to. And during Jesus' time on earth, Saturnalia was only 3 days long (Augustus lengthened it from 1 day to 3).
Jewish days were calculated differently from Roman days, starting at sundown, so the Jewish reckoning of a 7-day Roman festival came out to 8 Jewish days. Every Roman calendar shows the 17th to the 23rd inclusive.
And as a final bit, the Talmud ascribes Saurnalia's origins to Adam, claiming that it was later usurped by the pagans.
1) That's methodologically sloppy, and 2) there are no people who "still observe Saturnalia". Saturnalia as a holiday stopped well over a thousand years ago. There is no unbroken chain of celebration, modern pagans revived and (in many places wrongly) reconstructed it.
Every mosaic depicting Saturnalia. Laurels were the plant of Apollo.
(Saturnalia being celebrated on the right by playing dice. Laurels are the border.)
(December Saturnalia celebration. Laurel wreaths on the heads of the musicians.)
Kindly re-read what I wrote.
The Encyclopedia was demonstrably mistaken. There are sources. I provided them.
It's a Persian fallow deer, click the link. Note the distinctive markings and distinctive horns. And the fact that reindeer don't live in nor can they survive in Mesopotamia. That you insist that it is a reindeer speaks volumes.
But it turns out that this carving isn't even of Nimrod after all.
He wasn't the "original sun god."
He was not born on December 25th. This is mostly due to the fact that there was no December in Nimrod's time (the Julian calendar wasn't invented for ~2,000+ years).
There is no evidence of Nimrod worshiping trees, nor tree worship being associated with him, nor of evergreens.
God bless you. God sincerely bless you.
I just ran that search, and what I found gave me a chuckle. You're taking what some conspiracy nutjobs put up for face value uncritically as if it was the Gospel truth.Those links conflate the Biblical Nimrod with Tammuz and Baal and even the Anunaki and mash everything and the kitchen sink together without a shred of actual primary evidence. They take pictures that don't portray Nimrod and label them improperly. And the spelling and grammar mistakes are terrible. No wonder you have no problem with reindeer in the Mediterranean. That put it all into perspective for me.
May God bless you and keep you. I'm done spending my time responding to you.
Please excuse my ignorance but I am really curious, how come Easter sounds nothing like Paschal but sounds a whole lot like all of these strange spring goddesses?
How do we get Easter from Pascha or Pesach isn't it Passover in English? Why not call it Passover?
Why change the date what is wrong with the 14th day of the first month of the Hebrew calendar?
I suppose it would be Hillel because I use my mother's calendar and she is not a Karaite Jew. I noticed this last year most of the fall Moedim fell on the moon cycle pretty accurate. The moon cycle for Passover was a day off but I live in Texas not JerusalemBeade explained that. I quoted him.
Why is it "Tuesday" in English? Not "Tlatha"?
"Passover" is a relative neologism in English. Tyndale coined it.
Which calculation of the calendar? Hillel's calculated/fixed calendar? The Karaite calendar?
I suppose it would be Hillel because I use my mother's calendar and she is not a Karaite Jew. I noticed this last year most of the fall Moedim fell on the moon cycle pretty accurate. The moon cycle for Passover was a day off but I live in Texas not Jerusalemso maybe it was spot on then. I also noticed Easter was almost a whole month off, it was not even close by anyones cauculations.
Thanks so much for the info. That is interesting. The calendar of Hillel is still based on the phases of the moon unlike the Gregorian solar calendar we use today. I think we have really gone astray from the original post but this is quite an interesting topic. Maybe I can place a thread in M J forum and we can continue to talk about it there. A lot of Messianics get really into this calendar stuff. As for me I'm not too good at math, this calendar stuff confuses me a bit. I have a busy couple of days ahead, I just lost my mother in law so I maybe out here in there a bit but I will let you know when I start that calendar thread
I think you are permitted to converse, you can not post. I am not allowed to post anywhere but thereAm I permitted to discuss that there, since I am not MJ?
I'm sorry to hear about your mother in law! Memory Eternal!
Thanks for the info!I think you are permitted to converse, you can not post. I am not allowed to post anywhere but there
thanks so very much for the condolences. I am a girl(just FYI) my husband is having a really hard time with loosing his mom I do appreciate your concern you are very loving
Lol yeah mine is my avatar name. I guess I should have used a verse from Ruth or EstherThanks for the info!
Always! That's what brothers and sisters in Christ are forTake your time to spend all the time you need for your husband!
I too am a girlFor some reason, many people think I am a guy, despite my caption under my avatar!
Lol yeah mine is my avatar name. I guess I should have used a verse from Ruth or Esther
I agree with you, but I want to clarify one thing. What are Jesus' commands? Consider:
a) Psalm 119:1....Blessed are the undefiled in the WAY, who walk in the LAW OF GOD.
b) Psalm 119:142....Your righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and your LAW is the TRUTH.
c) Proverbs 13:14....The LAW of the wise is a fountain of LIFE, to depart from the snares of death.
So, Jesus is the Law. Or rather, the Law points to Jesus. So, we should be showing our faith/belief/love for Jesus by obeying His commands, which are the Law.
Were you implying that connection?
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