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Are we allowed to partake in Christmas?

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Christmas is a personal decision, I think. We decorate and have fun and have little gifts for each other, and that's nice. It's a quiet celebration with prayer and Bible reading.

But we don't get into the holiday craziness and nutzo traffic. Bleah!!
 
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It's pretty crazy how some feel it is wrong to take a day to thank God for His incarnation. It's not like a birthday celebration, but rather a time to thank God for becoming incarnate here on earth. There is nothing pagan about that. Besides, it isn't necessary to call it Christmas, though that's fine if you want to call it that. It technically is a recognition (feast) of the Nativity of Christ. So thank God for coming here to earth to save us. There is nothing wrong with thanksgiving to God.

"Fear not for behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior; which is Christ the Lord. And this shall be a sign unto you: You shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger" (Luke 2:11-12).

We recognize these tidings of great joy and we glorify God in the highest (Luke 2:14).
 
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Hello, this is my first December season after having read the Bible and I am unsure about celebrating Christmas. Isn't it a pagan tradition? I remember reading Jeremiah 10:3-4 and thinking about this issue.

Personally at this moment, I feel christmas has nothing to do with Jesus and according to Jer 10, a christmas tree is a pagan practice that gentiles practice.

What are your thoughts on Christians celebrating this day?

We have long-since passed by pagan stuff. We observe the birth of our Lord & Savior. We meet in houses of worship, we offer prayers, we get together as families, and we pray together. We recall family treasures, exchange gifts of love, and part from each other, rejoicing that we will all one day reassemble in Heaven. Glory!
 
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At our last weeks bible study my pastor stated that he would not be opposed to "cancel christmas services so we can be with family" I was dumbfounded more so because I am a deacon. Has anyone else have a do nothing pastor like us?

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Hello, this is my first December season after having read the Bible and I am unsure about celebrating Christmas. Isn't it a pagan tradition? I remember reading Jeremiah 10:3-4 and thinking about this issue.

Personally at this moment, I feel christmas has nothing to do with Jesus and according to Jer 10, a christmas tree is a pagan practice that gentiles practice.

What are your thoughts on Christians celebrating this day?
Great question!

Deuteronomy 12:31 - "You must not worship the LORD your God in their (pagan/Gentile) way, because in worshiping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things the LORD hates. They even burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods."

Deuteronomy 12:2-4 - "Destroy completely all the places on the high mountains, on the hills and under every spreading tree, where the nations you are dispossessing worship their gods. Break down their (pagan/Gentile) altars, smash their sacred stones and burn their Asherah poles in the fire; cut down the idols of their gods and wipe out their names from those places. YOU MUST NOT WORSHIP THE LORD GOD IN THEIR (pagan/Gentile) WAY."

Many will say that it's okay to observe Christmas because "God knows the intent of my heart". But, consider: Jeremiah 17:9 - "The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?".

Here's a video that I would highly recommend watching that may help shed some new light on whether to observe Christmas or not. It makes a very convincing case, in my opinion.

 
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Great question!

Deuteronomy 12:31 - "You must not worship the LORD your God in their (pagan/Gentile) way, because in worshiping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things the LORD hates. They even burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods."

Deuteronomy 12:2-4 - "Destroy completely all the places on the high mountains, on the hills and under every spreading tree, where the nations you are dispossessing worship their gods. Break down their (pagan/Gentile) altars, smash their sacred stones and burn their Asherah poles in the fire; cut down the idols of their gods and wipe out their names from those places. YOU MUST NOT WORSHIP THE LORD GOD IN THEIR (pagan/Gentile) WAY."

Many will say that it's okay to observe Christmas because "God knows the intent of my heart". But, consider: Jeremiah 17:9 - "The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?".

Here's a video that I would highly recommend watching that may help shed some new light on whether to observe Christmas or not. It makes a very convincing case, in my opinion.


Who says you need to have a Christmas tree to thank God for his birth?
 
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Who says you need to have a Christmas tree to thank God for his birth?

The paganism of Christmas goes far beyond the Christmas tree. Even if you choose to celebrate Christmas without a tree, you're still left with a holiday that worships God with:

1) the Winter Solstice - Christmas grew out of Saturnalia which grew out of the Winter Solstice. At this time the days were getting shorter, which pagans interpreted as the sun dying. They believed that in order to give the sun new life/resurrect it, they needed to offer sacrifice to it. Gift giving and caroling were also part of Saturnalia - except that caroling was done by naked participants as Saturnalia was a time of sexual orgies (which makes sense because Saturn was, among other things, the god of liberation).
2) the false god Saturn - Santa is very similar to depictions and characteristics of Saturn. Saturn had a long white beard and demanded child sacrifice. Santa also has a long white beard and is affiliated with children (obviously softened over the centuries from child sacrifice).

The Roman Catholic Church was the one who created Christmas (the Christ-mass) by blending pagan Winter Solstice traditions with the Son of God. They did this to make their religion more appealing to pagans by allowing them to keep their favorite traditions - but just allow them to worship God in those ways.

You could make an argument that you could take Santa out of Christmas as well as the Christmas tree, but the fact of the matter is that Christmas is still and always has been the pagan Winter Solstice and is definitely not Jesus' birthday. Remember in Deuteronomy 12:2-4 God says "cut down the idols of their gods and WIPE OUT THEIR (pagan gods) NAMES from those places". God doesn't say to keep around pieces of false god worship. God says to completely wipe out anything that is related to false god worship. So, we shouldn't be picking and choosing parts of Christmas to keep (ex: the day is okay, but no Santa or tree) - we should be getting rid of all of it.
 
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Fact check:

The paganism of Christmas goes far beyond the Christmas tree.

False. The Christmas tree is a germanic Christian custom of charity. Originally the ornaments were edible alms for the poor, with a few gold-colored ones to remember St. Nicholas (more on that below). Before there were trees the custom was to leave alms or gifts in untended shoes or socks (which later evolved into stockings [drying] on the hearth).

1) the Winter Solstice - Christmas grew out of Saturnalia which grew out of the Winter Solstice.

False. Christmas was never on the Winter Solstice (which is December 20-23 depending on the year), and the earlier date for it was January 6th. The date was calculated relative to Pascha/Easter and it is completely unrelated to Saturnalia.

2) the false god Saturn - Santa is very similar to depictions and characteristics of Saturn.

False. "Santa Claus" is a Germanic folk depiction of St. Nicholas of Myra, a Christian Bishop who was present at the Council of Nicea, known for his acts of Christian charity and gift giving. He was a real person. We have his remains. Here is what he looked like based on a forensic reconstruction of his skull:

face-new-sm.jpg

Part of his story was that he paid the dowries of poor young women so that they could marry. In some depictions the gold coins of the dowries were replaced with (or just misinterpreted as) gold balls – and that's where Christmas ornaments, especially Christmas tree ornaments, originate from: An act of Christian charity.

The Roman Catholic Church was the one who created Christmas (the Christ-mass) by blending pagan Winter Solstice traditions with the Son of God.

False. Christmas was celebrated way before the schism that made the Catholic and Orthodox churches and eventually fractured Christianity into its modern denominations. The Church celebrated Christmas. It was and is a Christian practice.

Please do not spread false information.
 
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Here's a video that I would highly recommend watching that may help shed some new light on whether to observe Christmas or not. It makes a very convincing case, in my opinion.

Spoliers: 119 Ministries likes to play a bit loose with their facts here.
 
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I'd like to add here. A few years ago I wondered the same thing but for different reasons. I prayed and asked the Lord how I could observe the day in a way that honors Him. Then I found out what the day is about. It comes from the pagan worship of Saturnalia. The Roman Catholic Church made this a "Christian" holiday so that the pagans could "convert" but still keep their days. So no, we should not celebrate this day. When the pilgrims first came to America, celebrating the day was outlawed. Gradually, it came back into practice.

The Lord tells us not to learn the way of the heathen/pagan. But our country is in a state of declension and backsliding from the Lord, just as ancient Israel was. Yes, God DOES care about these things. The Lord does not take kindly to us bringing pagan symbols into our home, and it's not about "what's in our heart." The Old Testament gives very specific details about how the Lord is to be worshipped. Nadab and Abihu were killed for offering "strange fire." Our God is merciful, but He has not changed. I believe there are many who are ignorant about this day and its roots. But once you know, I believe there is a choice to be made - the world, with its pagan and worldly celebrations and customs, or Christ and worshipping Him rightly.

I had to tell my family I wasn't celebrating a few days before Christmas a few years ago. They thought it was weird. But they are respectful now. But mostly, I want to be pleasing to the Lord. I fail miserably everyday because of sin, sadly, but I am hoping in His grace.

Hope that helps.

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It is true the date has its pagan beginnings. however when scripture tells us not to worship Our God in the way the pagans worship their gods it is talking about detestable practices such as sacrificing your children or wedgies on the temple steps. It is not talking about honoring the birth of our Lord and savior.
 
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It is true the date has its pagan beginnings. however when scripture tells us not to worship Our God in the way the pagans worship their gods it is talking about detestable practices such as sacrificing your children or wedgies on the temple steps. It is not talking about honoring the birth of our Lord and savior.
That should say "orgies" on the temple steps not wedgies, lol.
 
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Fact check:



False. The Christmas tree is a germanic Christian custom of charity. Originally the ornaments were edible alms for the poor, with a few gold-colored ones to remember St. Nicholas (more on that below). Before there were trees the custom was to leave alms or gifts in untended shoes or socks (which later evolved into stockings [drying] on the hearth).



False. Christmas was never on the Winter Solstice (which is December 20-23 depending on the year), and the earlier date for it was January 6th. The date was calculated relative to Pascha/Easter and it is completely unrelated to Saturnalia.



False. "Santa Claus" is a Germanic folk depiction of St. Nicholas of Myra, a Christian Bishop who was present at the Council of Nicea, known for his acts of Christian charity and gift giving. He was a real person. We have his remains. Here is what he looked like based on a forensic reconstruction of his skull:

face-new-sm.jpg

Part of his story was that he paid the dowries of poor young women so that they could marry. In some depictions the gold coins of the dowries were replaced with (or just misinterpreted as) gold balls – and that's where Christmas ornaments, especially Christmas tree ornaments, originate from: An act of Christian charity.



False. Christmas was celebrated way before the schism that made the Catholic and Orthodox churches and eventually fractured Christianity into its modern denominations. The Church celebrated Christmas. It was and is a Christian practice.

Please do not spread false information.
Below I have quoted 3 secular(unbiased) sources that confirm the Pagan roots of Christmas- I do not believe people are spreading false information they are just trying not to be deceived or allow other Brothers and Sisters in Christ to be deceived.

Encyclopedia Britannica
Christmas | holiday
The precise origin of assigning December 25 as the birth date of Jesus is unclear. The New Testament provides no clues in this regard. December 25 was first identified as the date of Jesus’ birth by Sextus Julius Africanus in 221 and later became the universally accepted date. One widespread explanation of the origin of this date is that December 25 was the Christianizing of the dies solis invicti nati (“day of the birth of the unconquered sun”), a popular holiday in the Roman Empire that celebrated the winter solstice as a symbol of the resurgence of the sun, the casting away of winter and the heralding of the rebirth of spring and summer. Indeed, after December 25 had become widely accepted as the date of Jesus’ birth, Christian writers frequently made the connection between the rebirth of the sun and the birth of the Son. One of the difficulties with this view is that it suggests a nonchalant willingness on the part of the Christian church to appropriate a pagan festival when the early church was so intent on distinguishing itself categorically from pagan beliefs and practices.
Encyclopideia.com
Christmas facts, information, pictures | Encyclopedia.com articles about Christmas
It also falls three days after the winter solstice, a date when a number of pagan gods underwent resurrection after the shortest day of the year. This includes Sol Invictus of the Roman state religion during pagan times, a cult associated with the deification of the emperor. Whatever the explanation, it is evident that the early Christian Fathers, in their struggle for political and psychological supremacy, turned the interpretatio romana (the process of romanizing foreign gods) on its ear by expropriating a number of pagan symbols and observances and providing them with new Christian meanings. For this reason, Christmas and especially the foods associated with it represent a fusion of diverse pagan strands varying widely in emphasis from one country to the next.
Wikipidia.com
Christmas - Wikipedia
The Christian ecclesiastical calendar contains many remnants of pre-Christian festivals. Although the dating as December 25 predates pagan influence, the later development of Christmas as a festival includes elements of the Roman feast of the Saturnalia and the birthday of Mithra as described in the Roman cult of Mithraism.[50] The Chronography of 354 AD contains early evidence of the celebration on December 25 of a Christian liturgical feast of the birth of Jesus. This was in Rome, while in Eastern Christianity the birth of Jesus was already celebrated in connection with the Epiphany on January 6.[51][52] The December 25 celebration was imported into the East later: in Antioch by John Chrysostom towards the end of the 4th century,[52] probably in 388, and in Alexandria only in the following century.
 
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So, according to your understanding, we Christians are not allowed to celebrate the birthday anniversary of our Savior Jesus Christ because some pagans celebrated the supposed birthday(s) of their god(s) on this same day of the year, in this case, December 25th?

Do you celebrate your birthday anniversary or the birthday anniversaries of any of your family members? If so, what if their birth dates were on the same dates as some ancient pagan deities' birth dates or feast days? Are you thereby guilty of celebrating the fake gods' birthday anniversaries or feast days because you are celebrating on these days? I don't think so! There are only 365/366 days in every year and all events in every year have to happen on one of these days.

Every day is created and owned by God. What a person does on each of God's days is what is important. To worship the True God on each and every day is very good. To worship a fake god on even one day is evil.

Romans 14:5-6
One man esteems one day as better than another, while another man esteems all days alike. Let every one be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. He also who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God; while he who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God. rsv
I will celebrate the feast days of Christmas and Resurrection Sunday each year until I die. This will be pleasing to God because I am honoring His Son in special ways on these days.



Sukkot: Much of the imagery and ritual of the holiday revolves around rejoicing and thanking God for the completed harvest.

The OT Sukkot is merely the shadow of a better thing to come. We Christians will not be celebrating the Jewish Sukkot in the kingdom of God. The "harvest festival" that all Christians will participate in after the return of Jesus is called the "Marriage Feast/Supper of the Lamb." This is the feast that all believers will participate in for eternity.

Matthew 22:2
“The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who gave a marriage feast for his son, rsv

Revelation 19:7
Let us rejoice and exult and give him the glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his Bride (Church) has made herself ready; rsv​

Revelation 19:9
And the angel said to me, “Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.” And he said to me, “These are true words of God.” rsv

Eaxactly. Are we only allowed to celebrate the birth of our Lord and savior on any day other than December 25th? Are we giving up and giving that day to the pagans? I don't think so. We use it that day because "what you meant for evil God meant for good." We are told in scripture not to honor our God and celebrate our God in the way the pagans do when we take over their lands. But if you read all those ways are the detestable ways to God such as orgies on the temple steps and such as sacrificing your children. It's not talking about giving Christmas presents to your loved ones. Gresham, get a grip people and relax.
 
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Eaxactly. Are we only allowed to celebrate the birth of our Lord and savior on any day other than December 25th? Are we giving up and giving that day to the pagans? I don't think so. We use it that day because "what you meant for evil God meant for good." We are told in scripture not to honor our God and celebrate our God in the way the pagans do when we take over their lands. But if you read all those ways are the detestable ways to God such as orgies on the temple steps and such as sacrificing your children. It's not talking about giving Christmas presents to your loved ones. Gresham, get a grip people and relax.
That should say "we usurped that day"
 
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Yes, you're allowed to celebrate Christmas.
An older post of mine from elsewhere on this topic (Orthodox perspective):

When you take the rest of the Church calendar in context with its feasts and fasts, it makes more sense. I suspect that one reason Nativity is celebrated in December is to put it close to Theophany in January- especially as Theophany means 'appearance of God'. Nativity is one of the last feasts added to the calendar. Consequently- we celebrate the Annunciation on March 25- approximately nine months before Nativity. The date of Annunciation generally falls during Great Lent- and is more ceremonially significant as it is associated with the time of year the passover lamb was selected. Both are part of the twelve Great Feasts of the Church.

Ceremonial significance associated with theology trumps the confusion that celebrating the accurate dates on the Jewish calendar would bring- especially as the entire Church calendar was made to revolve around the very important moveable Feast of Feasts, which is Pascha. Holy Pascha trumps everything else.

The first recorded reference to Christmas being celebrated by the Church was in 335/6 AD. The Nativity According to the Flesh of Our Lord, God and Savior Jesus Christ (what this feast is called in Orthodox Christianity) has been a feast of the Church since the fourth century and is celebrated with liturgy, during which we partake of the Eucharist. It is preceded by a time of fasting (it mirrors Great Lent).

The same people who were at the First Council of Nicea celebrated the Nativity of Christ (the same people that confirmed the scriptures and the Nicene Creed). If you're doing things right- you're spending more time at church, in prayer, and partaking of the eucharist. These things are extremely beneficial to a Christian.

For forty days before we fast, pray, and give alms. Then- on Christmas Eve we go to church to celebrate Divine Liturgy and it doesn't end until early on Christmas morning. We break our fast together. We greet each other with the words: 'Christ is born." "Glorify Him!" We also celebrate the twelve days of Christmas and Theophany- all in church.

There is nothing specifically wrong with having the out of church secular family gift exchange thing and decorating your home- but it should not take precedence. We don't do Santa Claus- instead we celebrate the life of an actual saint of the Church- St. Nicholas (on December 6). He was a bishop that gave away his wealth to the poor and he upheld the faith against heretics.

The real question I have is why wouldn't you want to celebrate Christmas? ?
 
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Below I have quoted 3 secular(unbiased) sources that confirm the Pagan roots of Christmas- I do not believe people are spreading false information they are just trying not to be deceived or allow other Brothers and Sisters in Christ to be deceived.

The sources you cited don't quite state what you think they do, and some have also made common mistakes. :)

Notice how, in the Encyclopedia Britannica, after it shows the historical precedent for December 25th by Sextus Julius Africanus, it prefaces the rest of the discussion with "One widespread explanation" not that this was actually the case. It even follows it up with "One of the difficulties with this view is that it suggests a nonchalant willingness on the part of the Christian church to appropriate a pagan festival when the early church was so intent on distinguishing itself categorically from pagan beliefs and practices." :)

In other words the Encyclopedia Britannica is mentioning the belief because of its prominence but doesn't endorse the connection due to problems with it.

Encyclopedia.com doesn't actually cite evidence for how it is "evident" that the early Christian Fathers were struggling for "psychological supremacy" resorting to "expropriation." (In fact that's the exact opposite of what the Encyclopedia Britanica states in its conclusion.) That raises all sorts of red flags and requires some serious evidence. None is given. No primary sources (they only cite tertiary at best). No discussion of any of the Early Church Fathers' writings. Exceptional claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Finally, Wikipedia. Wikipedia *is* admittedly biased. But that's a systemic problem. :) With what you've cited, however: It first states that the dating of December 25 predates pagan influence (which does not help your case) and then it makes some curious claims including Mithras and other practices. Roger Beck, one of the foremost authorities on Mithraic studies, calls assertions of similarities between Christmas and Mithraism the "hoariest of facts" without any hint of proof. The rest of what you cited is actually in support of Christmas being independent from any pagan festivals with the discussion of differing dates between the East and West. The rest of the live article on Christmas needs a serious cleanup, as there are lots of claims whose "sources" don't actually link anywhere or don't actually say what's cited (more of the same sort of myths, too, like that December 25th was the solstice – it was not).
 
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Marriage is a union between a man and a woman, often before the procreation and birth of their children. I do not find Jesus preached he was engaged to a church full of men, women and children, nor about a wedding feast or honeymoon with its members.

Matthew 22:30 "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are like God's angels in heaven."

As for the topic of Christmas suspected of being a pagan holiday, no, Christmas is the celebration of the birth of Jesus of Nazareth.

I agree that Christmas is the celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ. :)
Christmas has absolutely nothing to do with pagan celebrations on the same day.

Scripture likens the relationship between Jesus and His Church to a marriage between a man and a woman. Therefore Scripture states that Jesus is the Bridegroom and the Church (which is composed of men and women) is His Bride.

2 Corinthians 11:2
I feel a divine jealousy for you, for I betrothed you to Christ to present you as a pure bride to her one husband. rsv

Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, 26 that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, 27 that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish.

Revelation 19:7
Let us rejoice and exult and give him the glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his Bride (CHURCH) has made herself ready; rsv

Hebrews 12:22-23
But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem (CHURCH), and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, 23 and to the assembly of the first-born who are enrolled in heaven, and to a judge who is God of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks more graciously than the blood of Abel. rsv

Revelation 21:2
And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem (CHURCH), coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband; rsv

 
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I am sure that you have an amazing love for Christ and when you do Christmas you are sincere about honoring Him, however it is not how He asked for us to honor Him.

I am not worshiping God when I celebrate a birthday or anniversary for a family member. He specifically said not to worship Him in those ways because all abominations have been done in those ways including sacrificing children in the fire Deuteronomy 12:31. He says He hates it, why would you choose do something He hates? He is the one being worshiped, don't you think its a good idea if we worship Him how He wants to be worshiped instead of how WE want to worship Him?

Do Christians sacrifice children on Christmas? No, Christians worship God in spirit and in truth on Christmas. If I use a candle in my worship of God, am I displeasing God because some poor, ignorant pagan also used a candle at some time in history in his worship of wood or stone idols? No, absolutely not!

For example: A candle is an inanimate object that is used for many good purposes. If a candle is used for an evil purpose, then it is the person who is guilty of the evil, not the candle.

Do Christians worship pagan gods on Christmas? No, Christians worship the one True God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) on Christmas. This worship by Christians on Christmas Day is pleasing to God.

Christians will not be keeping Sukkot? I would greatly encourage you to re-read Zachariah 14 "And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles" Zachariah 14:16

I have read Zechariah many times. It is apocalyptic literature, Apocalyptic literature is imagery depicting a spiritual truth and it is not to be understood in a literal sense. :)

After Jesus returns for His second coming, there will be no more "years". We will be living in eternity which is the "ever-present day". There will be no more nights and therefore no more years will be passing by. There will be no more Judaism and therefore there will be no more Sukkot. The Jews who practice Judaism are people who have not accepted Jesus as their Savior!

Revelation 21:23-24
And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine upon it, for the glory of God is its light, and its lamp is the Lamb. 24 By its light shall the nations walk; and the kings of the earth shall bring their glory into it, 25 and its gates shall never be shut by day—and there shall be no night there; rsv

Romans 10:12
For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; the same Lord is Lord of all and bestows his riches upon all who call upon him. rsv
CHRISTIANS DO NOT BECOME JEWS IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD. JEWS BECOME CHRISTIANS, MEMBERS OF JESUS CHRIST"S CHURCH!

JUDAISM WAS A "SHADOW" PRECURSOR OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST.

FOLLOWERS OF JESUS CHRIST ARE CALLED CHRISTIANS.

Christians will participate in the Marriage Supper of the Lamb Jesus Christ, not the Sukkot of the Jews.


Revelation 19:9
And the angel said to me, “Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.” And he said to me, “These are true words of God.” rsv


 
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The sources you cited don't quite state what you think they do, and some have also made common mistakes. :)

Notice how, in the Encyclopedia Britannica, after it shows the historical precedent for December 25th by Sextus Julius Africanus, it prefaces the rest of the discussion with "One widespread explanation" not that this was actually the case. It even follows it up with "One of the difficulties with this view is that it suggests a nonchalant willingness on the part of the Christian church to appropriate a pagan festival when the early church was so intent on distinguishing itself categorically from pagan beliefs and practices." :)

In other words the Encyclopedia Britannica is mentioning the belief because of its prominence but doesn't endorse the connection due to problems with it.

Encyclopedia.com doesn't actually cite evidence for how it is "evident" that the early Christian Fathers were struggling for "psychological supremacy" resorting to "expropriation." (In fact that's the exact opposite of what the Encyclopedia Britanica states in its conclusion.) That raises all sorts of red flags and requires some serious evidence. None is given. No primary sources (they only cite tertiary at best). No discussion of any of the Early Church Fathers' writings. Exceptional claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Finally, Wikipedia. Wikipedia *is* admittedly biased. But that's a systemic problem. :) With what you've cited, however: It first states that the dating of December 25 predates pagan influence (which does not help your case) and then it makes some curious claims including Mithras and other practices. Roger Beck, one of the foremost authorities on Mithraic studies, calls assertions of similarities between Christmas and Mithraism the "hoariest of facts" without any hint of proof. The rest of what you cited is actually in support of Christmas being independent from any pagan festivals with the discussion of differing dates between the East and West. The rest of the live article on Christmas needs a serious cleanup, as there are lots of claims whose "sources" don't actually link anywhere or don't actually say what's cited (more of the same sort of myths, too, like that December 25th was the solstice – it was not).

I am sure you have an amazing love for Christ, I am just not too sure of this Christmas thing. No one in the Bible kept Christmas.

You confirmed all of my postings are false or bias. Where is your proof? Did a Saint Nicholas even exist as you claim?

What about the German Christmas tree or should we say yule tree "Yule or Yuletide is a festival observed by the historical Germanic peoples, later undergoing Christianised reformulation resulting in the now better-known Christmastide. Scholars have connected the celebration to the Wild Hunt, the god Odin and the pagan Anglo-Saxon Mōdraniht." Wikipidia( Yes I know they are biased, not sure b
The sources you cited don't quite state what you think they do, and some have also made common mistakes. :)

Notice how, in the Encyclopedia Britannica, after it shows the historical precedent for December 25th by Sextus Julius Africanus, it prefaces the rest of the discussion with "One widespread explanation" not that this was actually the case. It even follows it up with "One of the difficulties with this view is that it suggests a nonchalant willingness on the part of the Christian church to appropriate a pagan festival when the early church was so intent on distinguishing itself categorically from pagan beliefs and practices." :)

In other words the Encyclopedia Britannica is mentioning the belief because of its prominence but doesn't endorse the connection due to problems with it.

Encyclopedia.com doesn't actually cite evidence for how it is "evident" that the early Christian Fathers were struggling for "psychological supremacy" resorting to "expropriation." (In fact that's the exact opposite of what the Encyclopedia Britanica states in its conclusion.) That raises all sorts of red flags and requires some serious evidence. None is given. No primary sources (they only cite tertiary at best). No discussion of any of the Early Church Fathers' writings. Exceptional claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Finally, Wikipedia. Wikipedia *is* admittedly biased. But that's a systemic problem. :) With what you've cited, however: It first states that the dating of December 25 predates pagan influence (which does not help your case) and then it makes some curious claims including Mithras and other practices. Roger Beck, one of the foremost authorities on Mithraic studies, calls assertions of similarities between Christmas and Mithraism the "hoariest of facts" without any hint of proof. The rest of what you cited is actually in support of Christmas being independent from any pagan festivals with the discussion of differing dates between the East and West. The rest of the live article on Christmas needs a serious cleanup, as there are lots of claims whose "sources" don't actually link anywhere or don't actually say what's cited (more of the same sort of myths, too, like that December 25th was the solstice – it was not).
I am sure you have a heart for Christ, I just do not think this Christmas thing is truth.

You stated all of the information I posted is false or bias, but where is your proof? Do you have proof there was a Saint Nicholas?

What about that German Christmas Tree or should I say yule tree. "Yule or Yuletide is a festival observed by the historical Germanic peoples, later undergoing Christianised reformulation resulting in the now better-known Christmastide. Scholars have connected the celebration to the Wild Hunt, the god Odin and the pagan Anglo-Saxon Mōdraniht." Wikipedia (but they are bias, they must be JW, UCG, Messianic or some other religion that does not keep Christmas)

What about this pagan site
Yule Tree - Tree of Life
Yule trees go way back in Pagan tradition, and generally were outdoor live trees that were decorated with hanging candles. The Yule tree lights and ornaments originally symbolized the sun, moon and stars as they looked on the Tree of Life. The Yule tree decorations also represented the souls of the departed who we remember at the end of the year. And then there is the modern day gift giving which originated from hanging sacred presents on the Yule tree as offerings to deities such as Attis and Dionysus. And to think all of this sprung from the pine groves equated with the Great Mother Goddess

Another custom dating back to Pagan roots is the burning of the Yule log. Originally the Yule bonfire was meant to give renewed life and power to the sun, thus the sun was reborn with the shortest day marking the time of year when the days started becoming longer. Traditionally Yule logs are oak, with the oak tree symbolizing the Cosmic Tree of Life, per Druid lore. Pine is also used to represent the dying Gods Attis, Dionysus and Woden.

Sorry for the double post my computer crashed 3 times trying to post this :(
 
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