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Are there gold diggers in church?

TheDude2011

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Thank you for picking and choosing what parts of my post you respond to. I did mention that EACH couple needs to decide between themselves what they want out of the marriage. I know couples who fit each of the scenarios I mentioned and neither is necessarily the man working more. I know a wife who works and her husband home schools, a man who works part time and his wife works full so it's not just the woman who has the "choice"...it's generally a mutual decision between husband and wife.

I'll be honest...I'm tired of working. I'm tired of missing so much of my kids lives, however I don't have the choice of staying home and I'm okay with that. If I were to marry (which I'm not) it would be a decision between my husband and I as to the working situation. It may be best for both of us to work. It may be better for him to work and me to stay home. It may be best for me to work and him to stay home (doubtful considering my menial wages).

Saying a woman who stays home is a gold digger is quite a judgmental statement and not a very fair one.


Not really the point of the discussion. We're talking about women that place a great deal of importance on a man's wallet. In the rest of society we call it gold digging. In some Christian circles gold digging is cloaked in religion and called biblical. I never said it wasn't up to people how they want to live, most men know they're hooking up with a gold digger when they do.

And you don't think there are legions of men out there that are tired of working their lives away and missing out on their children's lives because they have a spouse at home that doesn't pull her weight financially?

It's entirely fair to say that someone that doesn't support themselves is using, gold digging, the person that they live off of. It's not really a judgement statement, just a fact. If a guy wants to let a woman live off of him, that's his call.
 
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A meal ticket? Dude, I work. I make money and plan on continuing working for as long as I can because I love what I do. And I do not aspire to be a housewife either. That is a clear indication that you clearly have your own agenda and aren't even reading what I've been saying.

Which is fine. It just sounds to me like you fall short of what most people expect of a man and are trying to justify your situation by saying stuff like "I laugh in the face of the notion that work defines a man" and "you wouldn't be interested in me because I refuse to be a wage slave." So what are you doing then? Do you run your own business? Work for yourself? Are you even employed? If not, you are a slave to whoever you're working for and you're just going to have to get over that.

I'm not 'using fictions.' Like I said, which you obviously haven't even read, I work and plan on continuing that route. I am not interested in a man's wallet, because if I want something, I can acquire and purchase it myself. I was simply trying to get at the family aspect of it all. No woman who wants a family is going to marry a man who does not have a job, and doesn't plan on getting a job and/or is not reliable financially. Ask any woman. And they will all tell you it's not about money; it's about knowing that if you pop out a baby and can't work, your husband will be able to pay the electric bill. It's about having a husband who has the qualities of motivation and ambition. A man who is a hard worker. Do you SERIOUSLY have a problem with that, and would you seriously call a woman who wants that, a gold digger?

You are basically saying that any woman who expects their husband to be financially reliable/dependable is a money sucking leech who is only interested in her husband's wallet. Re-read that. Do you know how messed up your logic is?

Actually, I just find it funny how now that you've been called on your comments you're trying to turn a 180. It's just dishonest to say "I dumped a guy cause he didn't think he was ever going to be a big income earner but I'm not interested in a man's wallet." I'm not exactly the only person here that noticed the overt gold digger overtone in your post, so do they share my "agenda?"

I don't have an agenda, I don't really care you're a gold digger. Any guy that hooks up with you is going to be well aware of what you are, and why you're interested in them. Nor do I care if I live up to "what most people expect of a man." I don't need to justify anything, I couldn't honestly care less what anyone that's not me thinks about my situation. Have a rather successful consulting business, could make 4x what I do. But I shut the business down 8 or 9 months a year and do what I like with my time. I'm a slave to no one, but I doubt you'll ever experience that sort of freedom and I doubt you'd know what to do with it.
 
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Actually, I just find it funny how now that you've been called on your comments you're trying to turn a 180. It's just dishonest to say "I dumped a guy cause he didn't think he was ever going to be a big income earner but I'm not interested in a man's wallet." I'm not exactly the only person here that noticed the overt gold digger overtone in your post, so do they share my "agenda?"

I don't have an agenda, I don't really care you're a gold digger. Any guy that hooks up with you is going to be well aware of what you are, and why you're interested in them. Nor do I care if I live up to "what most people expect of a man." I don't need to justify anything, I couldn't honestly care less what anyone that's not me thinks about my situation. Have a rather successful consulting business, could make 4x what I do. But I shut the business down 8 or 9 months a year and do what I like with my time. I'm a slave to no one, but I doubt you'll ever experience that sort of freedom and I doubt you'd know what to do with it.

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priceless

What exactly do you find "priceless" about "TheDude2011" misrepresenting "sunset2009's" position exactly?

Can you elaborate where you think he's correct?

It seems you made this entire thread just to gloat brag and imply to everyone that you have money.

As a way of telling the entire forum that you have money you've created a sham of a thread that bashes women and vilifies them as all being money hungry and are worried about "gold diggers' taking yours...

About sum it up? Yes, and your only comment so far other than your judgemental and incredibly flawed OP was to pat a fellow woman basher on the back with a "atta boy"... Sad.
 
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What exactly do you find "priceless" about "TheDude2011" misrepresenting "sunset2009's" position exactly?

Can you elaborate where you think he's correct?

It seems you made this entire thread just to gloat brag and imply to everyone that you have money.

Hold your horses brother.I never implied I had money.I asked a basic question,'do we have gold diggers in church?' Reason is very simple ,a church is a place of transformation where views are generally different to the world's.In the world I have no doubt we have plenty of gold diggers 'who marry till poverty do us part' or marry for 2-4 years divorce and clean the guy out but do these things exist in church?I only wanted to know among other things what sisters look for in a partner,does the size of his wallet matter?How do they rate other things like fruit of the spirit,character,integrity,devotion to the Lord etc it's all about the motives.What incentivises people?This is not so much about me,this is about the ladies in the house,what they think,what they value what makes them move?

As a way of telling the entire forum that you have money you've created a sham of a thread that bashes women and vilifies them as all being money hungry and are worried about "gold diggers' taking yours...
You have jumped to a conclusion a wrong one for that matter.I will not confes s that I do not have money if that's what you wanted me to say,'you shall have what you say' Jesus said.'As you have said it in my presence so shall it be unto you 'God said yes I'm loaded and that's no crime but that wasnt the purpose.
Also there's no woman bashing here,everyone here is speaking their mind in good faith and there's no wrong or right answer,all I wanted to do was hear it from the horses mouth.A sister mentioned security as a key issue,that helped a brother a great deal.My point was do they look at the current situation,do they look at the unseen for God's word says the things that are not seen are eternal,what's the role of faith in this?A sister did mention it was not so much about how much he has now but the drive and ambition.I understood from her point of view,if someone doesnt have the drive now current performance will be probably be repeated.I do know that people are different and I expect to hear different views concerning the subject but from that a pattern will still emerge ,sort of a normal bell distribution curve with generally centralised views about this.

About sum it up? Yes, and your only comment so far other than your judgemental and incredibly flawed OP was to pat a fellow woman basher on the back with a "atta boy"... Sad.

I asked the question because I wanted to know what forumites think.There was no reason for me to voice an opinion because I want to hear what others think.Occassionaly I will ask a question to get clarity or answer if asked a question but as a thread starter I'm generally in the audience.The brother you mention names,firstly I have never read his other threads,I do not know if he's a woman basher,to me he only highlighted a contrast in the sister's expression and I found his attention to detail priceless.To me I'm excited,people are saying what they think and were engaging in a healthy discussion without any name calling.
I hope this clarifies my position and clears all assumptions.
 
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