Are there any creationists willing to debate?

[troodon]

want to know what i think happened? i think that the whale thought it was time to evolve into humans, so he decided to grow that leg. he accidentally forgot that humans already existed. luckilly he remembered before he grew the other one and lost a million pounds, or all the other whales mightve followed him, and then there would be no more whales, just a whole bunch of humans.

Seeing as this was a joke answer why don't you provide a real answer to the question instead of ignoring it?

some others have vulture looking creatures with droopy faces

My dromeosaur?

Read the article again. He created an amino acid, not a cell.

Either you have no comprehension of biochemistry or you didn't read the articles.

 

[Megachihuahua]

My dromeosaur?


Either you have no comprehension of biochemistry or you didn't read the articles.

Your dorkosaur?
Either you have no comprehension of logic or you're a facist.

 

[troodon]

Your dorkosaur?

You are showing a lot of hate.

Don't worry, Jesus loves you.

Either you have no comprehension of logic or you're a facist.

Woah, fascist? (assuming you meant fascist)

You see, my question was legitimate because you said:
"He created an amino acid, not a cell."

Now, the problem with your statement is that Fox did not create any amino acids. So, either you don't know enough about biochemistry to distinguish between a proteinoid and an amino acid or you didn't carefully read the articles and simply skimmed/skipped them, merely assuming they offered no evidence to challenge your beliefs. Which is it?

Now, my turn, where did I ever show a lack of logic and where did I show any hint of being a fascist?

 

[Karl - Liberal Backslider]

the mix between creation and evolution theory (ie God using evolution to create, or evolution to create all species) is even dumber than straight evolution. it says right in the bible how the animals were created. if youre gonna believe the part in the bible that says God created, why would you not believe the part in the bible that says how he did it?

Interesting.

How exactly does Genesis 1 say God created life?

He said "Let the earth bring forth.....". Several times.

And each time the Earth responded. That's what it means, being God. Evolution tells us how the Earth responded.

And each time, the verse goes on to say "So God created...". It seems that the Earth bringing forth and God creating are the same thing. Oddly enough, this is exactly what theistic evolutionists have been saying since Darwin.

When are you going to start believing what the Bible says, that's the real question...

 

[serendipity79]

Modern science is viewed incorrectly, it does not disprove creationism, and is no threat to it, on the contrary it only helps to prove it. Science always says chance. when i hear chance it makes me realize that science does nothing to discredit God, it simply proves the existance. By chance a human body is a perfect machine, able to think, move, and function entirely on its own, no, when you hear chance in science that is the work of God. Not chance. Chance is a mere scientific rational created to replace God. I shall pray for you that do not believe.
God Bless.

 

[Karl - Liberal Backslider]

Modern science is viewed incorrectly, it does not disprove creationism, and is no threat to it, on the contrary it only helps to prove it.

Really? How exactly to common human/chimp viral insertions support creationism?

Science always says chance.

No it doesn't.

when i hear chance it makes me realize that science does nothing to discredit God,

Indeed. In the same way it has nothing to say on the relative qualities of Mozart and Liszt, and doesn't pronounce on whether the Original Series was better than Next Generation, it has nothing to say on the existence of God.

it simply proves the existance.

See above.

By chance a human body is a perfect machine, able to think, move, and function entirely on its own, no, when you hear chance in science that is the work of God. Not chance.

Indeed not. By well understood natural phenomena.

Chance is a mere scientific rational created to replace God.

No, it (or rather probability) is a branch of Mathematics.

I shall pray for you that do not believe.
God Bless.

And those of us who do?

 

[flapjack_05]

I am more than willing to discuss creation with anyone who wishes to do so. I think it is only right that we stand up for what we believe. I believe that God created the wrold Ex Nihilo in six days, and I will readily discuss the issue with anyone who disagrees.

 

[fortheloveofmike]

I am more than willing to discuss creation with anyone who wishes to do so. I think it is only right that we stand up for what we believe. I believe that God created the wrold Ex Nihilo in six days, and I will readily discuss the issue with anyone who disagrees.

what is ex nihilo?

 

[fortheloveofmike]

Seeing as this was a joke answer why don't you provide a real answer to the question instead of ignoring it?

you know, i have no idea why God did that. but the fact that it happened lets me know that he mustve had a reason for it.

 

[Nathan Poe]

what is ex nihilo?

Latin for "out of nothing."

As in first there was nothing, and then God snapped his fingers and *POOF*ed everything into being.

 

[fortheloveofmike]

I am more than willing to discuss creation with anyone who wishes to do so. I think it is only right that we stand up for what we believe. I believe that God created the wrold Ex Nihilo in six days, and I will readily discuss the issue with anyone who disagrees.

i agree with flapppy

 

[Megachihuahua]

i agree with flapppy

Completely

 

[Aaron11]

flappy,

i would hesitate to get into a dispute with someone over how long it took God to make the universe. it seems counterproductive and it is beyond our comprehension anyhow.

for one, before the sun was around, or the earth, what was a day? what was 24 hours? since we measure a day by how long it takes the earth to spin once, it would be hard to say exactly what a day was without a sun or an earth.

also, God is above and beyond time. to Him 1 day is 1000 years and 1000 years is 1 day. einstein has shown us through his theories of relativity, that time can be stretched and compressed. time is not an absolute like you probably think of it. so if God felt like it, he could have stretched or compressed time how he pleased.

OR, maybe he created the earth in stages and the stages were best understood by Moses as days.

who knows? so why get upset over something like this?

 

[goat37]

Aaron is right.

Time is relative... The closer you get to the speed of light, the slower time actually travels.

The same is also true for the closer you get to the center of a gravity source. Example would be if you take a clock tower, and the base of it was in death valley, and the top part of it was as tall as Mt. Everest and set two clocks with the exact same time, and started them like a stop-watch... time would travel slower at the base then it would at the top.

 

[Aaron11]

Isn't that mind-boggling?

 

[revolutio]

Aaron is right.

Time is relative... The closer you get to the speed of light, the slower time actually travels.

The same is also true for the closer you get to the center of a gravity source. Example would be if you take a clock tower, and the base of it was in death valley, and the top part of it was as tall as Mt. Everest and set two clocks with the exact same time, and started them like a stop-watch... time would travel slower at the base then it would at the top.

No no light still travels the same speed. It is actually the only thing that is not relative. Even when you are travelling at the speed of light light will still move away from you at the speed of light.

I must confess that confuses me but I have seen it in several books on physics.

 

[Aaron11]

You didn't listen. You should read again. We did not say that light changed speeds, we said that time slowed down.

 

[goat37]

No no light still travels the same speed. It is actually the only thing that is not relative. Even when you are travelling at the speed of light light will still move away from you at the speed of light.

I must confess that confuses me but I have seen it in several books on physics.

Like Aaron said... the speed of light does not change (although they are now pretty sure that light doesn't have one constant speed, it moves at least 186,000 miles per second, or 5.88 trillion miles in a year/ light year) the perception of time from the onlooker changes.

So, if you were traveling into space at even near the speed of light, and returned... you would have only counted a handful of time pass, while they would have counted much much longer. (i know it's very basic, but I have a hard time putting it into layman's terms)

I will pull some quotes out from "The Elegant Universe" by Brian Greene... which if you haven't read it, I highly recommend it.

 

[troodon]

i agree with flapppy

It's hard to discuss creationism with you when you simply shrug off evidence as you did in post #249.

you know, i have no idea why God did that. but the fact that it happened lets me know that he mustve had a reason for it.

The only reason God would put leg genes into a legless whale and tail genes into a tailless human is to deceive us. Is deliberate deception compatible with your concept of God?

 

[revolutio]

I will pull some quotes out from "The Elegant Universe" by Brian Greene... which if you haven't read it, I highly recommend it.

Ya I have read most of it, I got busy with summer reading and didn't quite finish it though.

I know what you are saying but I have read before that light is a perfect constant in that it always is going that speed no matter your relationship to it.