Are there any creationists willing to debate?

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

easy...God made it, i dont know when, but i do know how. if you want to know how, read the bible.

I don't see how a post could be better at showing that creation science is an oxymoron than this one is. Thanks.

I have read the Bible but I guess I missed the verses that explained angular unconfomities and varves and the ones that explain how marsupials got from the middle east to Australia after the flood. I must not have been paying too much attention because I missed the verses that explain how the flood created the fossil record as well. Perhaps you can point them out to us.

The Frumious Bandersnatch

 

[Aaron11]

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[fortheloveofmike]

I don't see how a post could be better at showing that creation science is an oxymoron than this one is. Thanks.

I have read the Bible but I guess I missed the verses that explained angular unconfomities and varves and the ones that explain how marsupials got from the middle east to Australia after the flood. I must not have been paying too much attention because I missed the verses that explain how the flood created the fossil record as well. Perhaps you can point them out to us.

The Frumious Bandersnatch

dont worry, it doesnt say in the bible how marsupials got on australia, or how the flood made the fossil record. you didnt skip over that.
it does say, however, how God created the world and all the species on it.
have you ever heard of the theory that all the continents used to be one big continent called pangea? maybe that can solve some of the questions you have

 

[Dayton]

There was originally one continent, but it was divided somehow in the days of Peleg.

The earth was Created by God, and it was created 5,000-10,000 years ago.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

There was originally one continent, but it was divided somehow in the days of Peleg.

The earth was Created by God, and it was created 5,000-10,000 years ago.

The so-called division in the time of Peleg was a political division and not a literal splitting of a super continent, which occured many millions of years before the Bible was written. The splitting of a super continent at the time of Peleg to get continents in the positions they are today in less than 5000 years in geologically ridiculous but even so it doesn't alter the fact that biogeography falsifies the worldwide flood as I explain clearly in that thread.

http://www.christianforums.com/t40474&page=1

Splitting of a supercontinent in no way helps to explain how a worldwide flood could have created a significant fraction of the fossil record

http://www.christianforums.com/t42599&page=1

because a worldwide flood could not have created a significant fraction of the fossil record.

Splitting of a super continent does alter that the fact there are virtually countless falsifications of the YEC version of the worldwide flood myth to be found in the earth's geology. A few of them have been discussed here.

http://www.christianforums.com/t41209&page=1

You can find many more of them here

http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/

and on former YEC Glenn Morton's home page.
http://home.entouch.net/dmd/dmd.htm

Young earth creationism has been falsified by geology, paleontology, biogeography, archeology, cosmology, biodiversity at the least. Either the book of Genesis is just a collection of myths, or your interpretation of the book of Genesis is faulty or God is a big trickester who made the earth appear old and covered up the worldwide flood but then had his followers write down the story.

The Frumious Bandersnatch

 

[Mechanical Bliss]

have you ever heard of the theory that all the continents used to be one big continent called pangea? maybe that can solve some of the questions you have

Have you ever heard of Rodinia? The continents were a single land mass more than once as evidenced by paleomagnetism.

Furthermore, plate tectonism does not happen at a rate sufficient for this to occur in a few thousand years. The oldest oceanic crust is 180 Ma, so it's been a while since the continents were last one supercontinental landmass.

 

[Mechanical Bliss]

There was originally one continent, but it was divided somehow in the days of Peleg.

Plate motions are only about a few centimeters per year. That is not a sufficiently high rate for what you say to happen. To move at the rate required, the amount of friction would generate massive amounts of heat and the mantle's viscosity would have to be much different and completly unrealistic. Furthermore, there is zero evidence for a supercontinental landmass existing in the past few thousand years.

Making bare assertions like that won't help. Either substantiate your arguments or there is no reason to take them or you seriously.

The earth was Created by God, and it was created 5,000-10,000 years ago.

Repeating falsehoods does not make them true.

 

[Aaron11]

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[fortheloveofmike]

Repeating falsehoods does not make them true.

then why do you keep trying

 

[fortheloveofmike]

Plate motions are only about a few centimeters per year. That is not a sufficiently high rate for what you say to happen. To move at the rate required, the amount of friction would generate massive amounts of heat and the mantle's viscosity would have to be much different and completly unrealistic. Furthermore, there is zero evidence for a supercontinental landmass existing in the past few thousand years.

they couldve slowed down. things in motion usually get slowed down by friction

 

[Mechanical Bliss]

then why do you keep trying

I am not. I have substantiated my claims and have shown why those claims are falsehoods. The creationists here have not. Dogmatically stating that the earth must be 6,000 years old isn't an argument.

 

[Mechanical Bliss]

they couldve slowed down. things in motion usually get slowed down by friction

Provide evidence. "What if" statements are useless.

Catastrophic plate tectonism is an impossibility given the viscosity of the mantle, the heat released by such activity that would destroy life on earth, and radiometric dating of the oceanic crust. Features like the Hawaiian Island chain also falsify the notion that plate tectonism has been slowing down considering the radiometric dates of the basalts comprising the islands can be predicted from our knowledge regarding plate tectonism. The magnetic anomalies of the seafloor do not support catastrophic plate tectonism either. The fact is, there is zero evidence for what you are claiming.

 

[fortheloveofmike]

youre silly

 

[Mechanical Bliss]

youre silly

Evidently you have nothing of substance to say with respect to the evidence that falsifies your position.

 

[wblastyn]

youre silly

Why don't you refute his arguments if they're so "silly".

 

[millionaire]

fortheloveofmike has possibly the hugest brain in this forum.

 

[Jet Black]

does any of it get used?

 

[fish3]

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All science rests on philosophical underpinnings about the universe. But evolution is still just as much science as any other field of scientific study​

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I think the above statement reveals a much about how some feel that science and creation conflict.

Science is knowledge gained through an orderly system of facts that have been learned from experiments, observation and study. The natural laws can be validated with predictable results through experimentation. (The Scientific Method). Newton was a creationist
"Philisophical underpinnings" may be present in the premise of a scientific study but they are not taken as fact until they survive the process of emperical science. Care has to be taken to not let (evolutionists for example) hyjack the definitions. Let's debate science with science and philosophy with philosophy. Creation vs philosophy- science would lead us to a flawed conclusion. As Newton said, "The business of science is to deduce causes from effects - until we come to the very first cause ..."

 

[Jet Black]

I agree fish

 

[DGB454]

I have been struggling with this whole evolution thing for a few weeks now and finally come to the conclusion that it doesn't matter.
Way too much of my time has been wasted trying to put everything in order and come up with theories that make sense and in the end... it doesn't matter. The Bible puts very little time into it and instead directs it's focus to more important things so I guess so should I.
It's been an interesting study though.

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