Are there any Christian Idealist who hold credence towards Subjective Idealism or any variant of Idealism? I am a major fan of George Berkeley and I find it the most convincing argument for God when you apply further ontological concepts.
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Are there any Christian Idealists?
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Most of the idealists were Christian when it was popular.
George Berkley's argument is terrible though. Perception can not come before it's predicate.
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I find his argument for God lacking but his explanation of the nature of god and consciousness is for the most part sound if you rub out his errors in presupposed assumptions.
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Sorry I should clarify since it is misleading but I find Subjective Idealism the best argument for the nature of god how god exist which solves the "out side of time" issue. I myself have never dove into the evidence for god debate
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I can't really call his idealism sound if you don't presuppose God.
Perception doesn't precede reality, and the easiest proof of this is it can be catastrophically incorrect.
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You just have to accept the existence of a god, simple as that.
That is because our reality is of another perception. This is why Berkeley used God for.
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Do you mean Bishop Berkeley of Cloyne?
In so far as it denies the existence of the created Universe, his position is generally considered unorthodox among Christians.
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You would have to redefine what logicians mean by 'sound' arguments if you wish to include circular reasoning.
And he can play this game all day, the bus that you mistakenly walk out in front of, that you didn't perceive, will still cause a pretty consistent 'perception' and that is the problem with the system.
As a circular argument yes. Mental substance is all that exists and we can disregard when this doesn't seem to be the case if we assume God exists to maintain non brain generated mental substance.
But why should we assume God?
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Because that is the only thing that makes Berkley's argument work.
Fail.
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