Are the souls of some babies predestined to hell?

[Chris V++]

If our individual salvation is predestined as Calvinism seems to suggest, are there babies in hell?

 

[Danielwright2311]

Babies are perfect 100 percent till death, they have not reached there age of accountability.

 

[HTacianas]

If our individual salvation is predestined as Calvinism seems to suggest, are there babies in hell?

If you hold to the Western view of original sin that conclusion is inevitable. Personally I don't. I hold to the Eastern view, in that original sin creates a propensity to sin, but guilt does not attach until sin is complete.

 

[trophy33]

How would that be just?

 

[LovebirdsFlying]

The way I understand predestination, it means only that God knows in advance who is going to accept the call and who isn't. Not that He's already decided, and there's nothing we can do about it. I don't believe babies, small children, or people with severe mental disability go to hell, because they aren't capable of knowing right from wrong and then deliberately choosing to do wrong. I do believe we are all born with a sin nature, but it doesn't "kick in" until we know what we're doing.

 

[Dave-W]

Calvinism is incorrect. And you do not have an option I could vote for.

 

[LovebirdsFlying]

Calvinism is incorrect. And you do not have an option I could vote for.

I didn't think so either, but "babies go straight to Heaven," I can get on board with.

 

[RDKirk]

If our individual salvation is predestined as Calvinism seems to suggest, are there babies in hell?

Which is your actual question?

 

[Chris V++]

Which is your actual question?

Are there babies in Hell?

 

[RDKirk]

There is sufficient scripture to indicate that God's judgment takes into consideration what a person knows about Him and how that person handled that knowledge.

And should not I pity Nineveh, that great city, in which there are more than 120,000 persons who do not know their right hand from their left Jonah 4

Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains."-- John 9

The servant who knows the master's will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows.

But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows.

From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked. -- Luke 12

The scriptural indication is that the more ignorant of God a person is, the more merciful God is to him.

Babies may not be absolutely innocent, but the are absolutely ignorant.

 

[Chris V++]

Calvinism is incorrect. And you do not have an option I could vote for.

Not even Florida?

 

[Mark Quayle]

If our individual salvation is predestined as Calvinism seems to suggest, are there babies in hell?

I'm the first to vote "who are we to question God's judgement..." I don't mean to pompously cut out of the debate, but the statement you give there does not imply either way what God does with the souls of babies.

For those who would have a cow over the idea of some of them being predestined to eternal punishment, remember that God will give to a person only exactly what they deserve. The Judge of all the World will do what is right. Be thankful that if He indwells you, your sins have been paid by Christ.

My personal opinion is that infants can indeed be rebellious toward what their spirits know is God, and their immature spirits can also love God. It is up to God.

I have seen that some people, as my father put it, "....just seem to come to know God." Salvation is not the result of a personal decision, nor acceptance of a gift, but by the choice and action of God alone. It is he who indwells as he sees fit. The personal acquiescence is the unavoidable result. Notice in this discussion I have not included the work of the spoken or written gospel to bring the elect to God. I don't mean to discredit that, because the understanding has everything to do with what and how God works. But the newborn has little understanding, except in his spirit.

But when even in the womb, the baby learns by the things around him. If, for example, family devotions are held, it goes a long way to affecting the spirit of the baby.

That is not the whole story, but no, there is no talisman to hold a child in the grace of God until their maturity.

 

[Faze]

All babies go to Heaven because they are not old enough to understand the meaning of God.

 

[GodsGrace101]

If our individual salvation is predestined as Calvinism seems to suggest, are there babies in hell?

Happily for us and for babies,,,,Calvin was wrong.
Babies have no sin and we get to choose where we want to spend eternity.

 

[GodsGrace101]

Calvinism is incorrect. And you do not have an option I could vote for.

What would be your option??
It seems like they're all there...

 

[Dave-W]

What would be your option??
It seems like they're all there...

That gentile babies are born on the tree of destruction until they repent and are grafted into the cultivated olive tree (Rom 11) which would tend to say they go to hell; BUT - we also know thru all of scripture that God is both merciful and just. That tends to say they would be in Heaven.

So really we have no idea one way or the other.

 

[com7fy8]

God does what is right with each baby, born or unborn, who dies.

The Bible indicates how all have sinned, all have been born in sin; so I won't guarantee that a young one is guaranteed Heaven. And I have seen how unselfish little ones readily become. Their nature is not necessarily about loving any and all people like Jesus wants >

"if you love those who love you, what reward have you?" Jesus says in Matthew 5:46.

So, ones who possess children can make them love idols, and such babies can learn how to act charming so they get things they want. There are unborn who already have the nature for this, they already are seeds of how they will become when they are older.

Our nature has a lot to do with where we are ready to spend eternity. We are accountable, but our real nature has a lot to do with what we choose to do. So, we need to be conformed to Jesus so this can spread to our children, by the ministry of our example, and do not be wishful.

 

[eleos1954]

Babies have no way of knowing what sin is nor are capable of making choices in that regard, therefore I believe they will go to heaven and the Lord wants as many as possible in heaven. He came to save not destroy. Amen.

Luke 9

56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.

 

[bcbsr]

If our individual salvation is predestined as Calvinism seems to suggest, are there babies in hell?

I'm not a Calvinist myself. I don't believe in salvation by a pre-birth election. I believe in salvation by faith in Christ. But I understand the question, though I would ask it different. I would ask whether Calvinist believe that there are people in hell who didn't personally sin. I know their "imputation of guilt" concept whereby people are simply reckoned guilty of the sins of their ancestors - guilt by association, which I reject. My question would be concerning the person's personal sins. That kind of gets at what you're implying about babies.

 

[GodsGrace101]

That gentile babies are born on the tree of destruction until they repent and are grafted into the cultivated olive tree (Rom 11) which would tend to say they go to hell; BUT - we also know thru all of scripture that God is both merciful and just. That tends to say they would be in Heaven.

So really we have no idea one way or the other.

So you believe Adam's sin is imputed to every human being when born?

I believe we suffer the consequences of his sin,,,but are not held peronally responsible for that sin.

There are many verses ---
dinner now...