Are the SDAs

[TiffanyJackson]

Christian. Do the believe in the Trinity and Divinity of Jesus Christ?

 

[BobRyan]

Christian. Do the believe in the Trinity and Divinity of Jesus Christ?

SDAs are like Seventh-day Baptists in many respects.

1. Trinity
2. Believer's baptism
3. 66 books of scripture
4. sola scriptura testing of all doctrine and practice
5. Saved by Grace through faith


We differ from Seventh-day Baptists this way
1. We don't use the word "Baptist" in our name.
2. We have a central organization like the Methodists
3. We believe in free will -- and not in Once-saved-always-saved
4. We believe the rapture happens at the 2nd coming "after the tribulation of those days" Matt 24.
5. We believe in the 1 Corinthians 12 continuation of spiritual gifts (but we don't believe the modern gift of tongues is legit - it is not what the Bible is talking about)
6. We specifically focus on the 3 angel's messages of Revelation 14 and 18.
7. We believe in a literal hell - literal bodies in literal hell in Rev 14 but we believe that in that 2nd death lake-of-fire hell "He destroys both body and soul in fiery hell" Matt 10:28

as a short example of some differences

 

[BobRyan]

SDAs are a group raised up by God at the end of time - much like Noah and John the baptizer -- to preach the end-time-message to the world.

 

[overcomer]

Christian. Do the believe in the Trinity and Divinity of Jesus Christ?

What do you mean by Christian?

Is it defined by the Nicean Creed?

What about the Christians before 325AD and the Old Testament saints who didn't worship a trinity?

SDA pioneers didn't believe a Trinity, they believe in the divinity of Jesus.

The official SDA beliefs have changed and now since 1930s confess the trinitarian belief.

Is that what you want to hear?

 

[steve hartman]

The concept of the trinity is a false catholic doctrine and shows another way mainline SDA has joined with rome in the ecumenical movement sadly.

 

[reddogs]

The concept of the trinity is a false catholic doctrine and shows another way mainline SDA has joined with rome in the ecumenical movement sadly.

Need to study this deeper than just superficial...Ellen White and the Use of “Three” Concerning the Godhead

 

[steve hartman]

Need to study this deeper than just superficial...Ellen White and the Use of “Three” Concerning the Godhead

I never said the GODHEAD was false I said the trinity was a false catholic doctrine which is why almost none of the founders believed in it.

 

[steve hartman]

I never said the GODHEAD was false I said the trinity was a false catholic doctrine which is why almost none of the founders believed in it.

Ellen white knew the GODHEAD and trinity are different concepts one is biblical and the other is from rome.

 

[Dave-W]

I never said the GODHEAD was false I said the trinity was a false catholic doctrine which is why almost none of the founders believed in it.

You claim they believed in Modalism? (like the United Pentecostals and the Apostolics?)

 

[steve hartman]

You claim they believed in Modalism? (like the United Pentecostals and the Apostolics?)

This is what they believed in

I – That there is one God, a personal, spiritual being,
the creator of all things, omnipotent, omniscient,
and eternal; infinite in wisdom, holiness, justice, goodness,
truth, and mercy; unchangeable, and everywhere
present by his representative, the Holy Spirit. Ps.
139:7.

That statement is from their beliefs while ellen white was alive.

the holy spirit is part of GOD the father not a separate person.

It's the same as you and your shadow.

But catholicism want you to believe the holy spirit is a separate god they call him the unknown god.

 

[steve hartman]

Then they also believed in the son

II – That there is one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Eternal Father, the one by whom he created all things, and by whom they do consist; that he took on him the nature of the seed of Abraham for the redemption of our fallen race; that he dwelt among men, full of grace and truth, lived our example, died our sacrifice, was raised for our justification, ascended on high to be our only mediator in the sanctuary in heaven, where, through the merits of his shed blood, he secures the pardon and forgiveness of the sins of all those who penitently come to him; and as the closing portion of his work as priest, before he takes his throne as king, he will make the great atonement for the sins of all such, and their sins will then be blotted out (Acts 3:19) and borne away from the sanctuary, as shown in the service of the Levitical priesthood, which foreshadowed and prefigured the ministry of our Lord in heaven. See Lev. 16; Heb. 8:4, 5; 9:6, 7; etc.1

 

[Dave-W]

But catholicism want you to believe the holy spirit is a separate god they call him the unknown god.

That is bi-theism or tri-theism. Both of which are serious doctrinal errors; just as bad as modalism.

 

[steve hartman]

That is bi-theism or tri-theism. Both of which are serious doctrinal errors; just as bad as modalism.

whatever it is rome has it sweeping through all the denominations including SDA sadly.

 

[Dave-W]

whatever it is rome has it sweeping through all the denominations including SDA sadly.

Messianic Rabbi Dan Juster has noted that the Nicean Creed which is the basis for most of Orthodox/Catholic/Protestant belief in the "Trinity" was worded in such a way as to make honest seeking Jews think Christians were Tri-theistic pagans and not monotheistic at all. That when Paul wrote to Rome that the gospel was supposed to go to the Jew FIRST. (cha 1)

 

[steve hartman]

Messianic Rabbi Dan Juster has noted that the Nicean Creed which is the basis for most of Orthodox/Catholic/Protestant belief in the "Trinity" was worded in such a way as to make honest seeking Jews think Christians were Tri-theistic pagans and not monotheistic at all. That when Paul wrote to Rome that the gospel was supposed to go to the Jew FIRST. (cha 1)

it's not about jews and christians though as most would want to believe for GOD said those that believe in him and his son Jesus Christ are now spiritual jews. Alot of people think Jesus is only coming for the 12 tribes of israel and while this is true it means in the sense of jew and gentile that believe not just the literal tribes.

 

[Dave-W]

it's not about jews and christians though as most would want to believe for GOD said those that believe in him and his son Jesus Christ are now spiritual jews. Alot of people think Jesus is only coming for the 12 tribes of israel and while this is true it means in the sense of jew and gentile that believe not just the literal tribes.

We can go down that rabbit trail at another time in another thread.

My point was that the Orthodox church leadership of the 300s PURPOSEFULLY excluded believing Jews from the Nicean conference and the Creed that came out was messed up because of it, leading to a false understanding of the Godhead.

 

[steve hartman]

We can go down that rabbit trail at another time in another thread.

My point was that the Orthodox church leadership of the 300s PURPOSEFULLY excluded believing Jews from the Nicean conference and the Creed that came out was messed up because of it, leading to a false understanding of the Godhead.

ok yeah that makes sense.

 

[overcomer]

The SDA pioneers (including Ellen White) believed in one truth God the Father, and Jesus is the Son of God. The holy spirit is the personal presence of Jesus.

That's very different from the trinitarianism and the modelism.

 

[overcomer]

Messianic Rabbi Dan Juster has noted that the Nicean Creed which is the basis for most of Orthodox/Catholic/Protestant belief in the "Trinity" was worded in such a way as to make honest seeking Jews think Christians were Tri-theistic pagans and not monotheistic at all. That when Paul wrote to Rome that the gospel was supposed to go to the Jew FIRST. (cha 1)

We don't accept messianic rabbis as any inspiration or any reference of authority on any spiritual matter.

 

[reddogs]

We don't accept messianic rabbis as any inspiration or any reference of authority on any spiritual matter.

So true..