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Are the creation days literal 24 hours? by Fr. Gabriel Wissa

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In the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit; One God, Amen. Many viewers requested a video on the literality of the creation days in Genesis 1. But, to be completely honest, I am making this video as a concession as I understand that this is a standard follow-up question to the video we have recently done on the Big Bang theory; however, I strongly believe that a scientific approach to Genesis 1 is an oversight of the fundamental message conveyed by the author. The language in the first chapters of Genesis is semi-poetic in nature. And, it is not meant to be read through a scientific lens. So, I will present in a future video, how a Christian ought to properly approach Genesis 1; but in the meantime, I will answer the question of the literality of the days for the sake of those who need an answer.
 

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In the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit; One God, Amen. Many viewers requested a video on the literality of the creation days in Genesis 1. But, to be completely honest, I am making this video as a concession as I understand that this is a standard follow-up question to the video we have recently done on the Big Bang theory; however, I strongly believe that a scientific approach to Genesis 1 is an oversight of the fundamental message conveyed by the author. The language in the first chapters of Genesis is semi-poetic in nature. And, it is not meant to be read through a scientific lens. So, I will present in a future video, how a Christian ought to properly approach Genesis 1; but in the meantime, I will answer the question of the literality of the days for the sake of those who need an answer.
Legal code in Ex 20:11 agrees fully with Gen 2:1-3 on the literal seven days of creation week with a single "evening and morning" for each day.

No wonder that even the atheist/agnostic scholars in Hebrew and OT studies in all world-class universities agree that the language in Gen 1-2 is presented to the reader as literal days. The newly freed slaves from Egypt were not "darwinists" and were not going to read darwinism 'into the text"


Professor James Barr, Regius Professor of Hebrew at the University of Oxford, has written:

‘Probably, so far as I know, there is no professor of Hebrew or Old Testament at any world-class university who does not believe that the writer(s) of Genesis 1–11 intended to convey to their readers the ideas that:​
(a) creation took place in a series of six days which were the same as the days of 24 hours we now experience
(b) the figures contained in the Genesis genealogies provided by simple addition a chronology from the beginning of the world up to later stages in the biblical story​
(c) Noah’s flood was understood to be world-wide and extinguish all human and animal life except for those in the ark.​
Or, to put it negatively, the apologetic arguments which suppose the "days" of creation to be long eras of time, the figures of years not to be chronological, and the flood to be a merely local Mesopotamian flood, are not taken seriously by any such professors, as far as I know.’​
Atheists often don't mind "admitting" to what the Bible says - they simply reject the idea that what it says is actually true. As in rejecting the virgin birth, the bodily ascension of Christ, the miracles of the bible and in this example they freely admit to what the Bible says - while rejecting it as 'truth'.

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IN Genesis 1 even before the first day "water covered the surface of the deep".

So the oceans existed and the rock surface under our oceans also existed.

The earth returns to that desolate stated during the Millennium as we see in Jer 4: 23 "I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light."


And to the heavens, and they had no light.
24 I looked on the mountains, and behold, they were quaking,
And all the hills jolted back and forth.
25 I looked, and behold, there was no human,
And all the birds of the sky had fled.
26 I looked, and behold, the fruitful land was a wilderness,
And all its cities were pulled down
Before the Lord, before His fierce anger
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In the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit; One God, Amen. Many viewers requested a video on the literality of the creation days in Genesis 1. But, to be completely honest, I am making this video as a concession as I understand that this is a standard follow-up question to the video we have recently done on the Big Bang theory; however, I strongly believe that a scientific approach to Genesis 1 is an oversight of the fundamental message conveyed by the author. The language in the first chapters of Genesis is semi-poetic in nature. And, it is not meant to be read through a scientific lens. So, I will present in a future video, how a Christian ought to properly approach Genesis 1; but in the meantime, I will answer the question of the literality of the days for the sake of those who need an answer.
Each creation day has an evening and a morning. Only 24 hour days can be described as having an evening and a morning. Describing long periods of time as having an evening and a morning would be ludicrous. People try to turn something simple into something convoluted because they can't trust God's word and put their trust in faulty, biased secular scientists instead.
 
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24hr days. Yep. Only 6 to make everything.

That's my idea of working.
Yeah, no big deal. No design work necessary. God waved His hand and there it all was, in all its infinite complexity. End of. No point in studying it, it's all just scenery.

Funny how much that sounds like the position of the folks who worship science. It all just happened. No design, it's all just random interactions of particles and energy.

Both groups are equally dismissive of the incomprehensible grandeur of God's Creation.
The one says there was a Big Bang and everything just happened.
The other agrees,but says God lit the fuse.
Both trivialize something majestic beyond imagining.
Both equally sad.
 
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Each creation day has an evening and a morning. Only 24 hour days can be described as having an evening and a morning. Describing long periods of time as having an evening and a morning would be ludicrous. People try to turn something simple into something convoluted because they can't trust God's word and put their trust in faulty, biased secular scientists instead.
Very good point!

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Keys to accurately understanding Gen 1

For Each day – the events ON that day are identified a follows
  1. Events between “and evening and morning were”
  2. Events that begin with “And God said LET…”
  3. Both must be true – to qualify as an event ON that specific day
  4. Ex 20:11 "legal code" in the TEN commandments hardwires the Gen 2:2-4 7 days of creation week to 7 day time frame at Sinai. Which eliminates all the "allegory, poetry, symbolism" attempts to discredit Gen 1-2 - that legal code most certainly does not employ
  5. Neither Moses nor his readers were Darwinists – and so were not inclined to insert a bias for Darwinism into the text , having no need to turn it into allegory etc
Keys to opposing Gen 1
  1. Ignore the keys to understanding Genesis 1 above.
About Theistic Evolutionism
  1. In its purest form it affirms design, plan, direction and specifically the Romans 1 concept of Intelligent design seen by all humans in the things that have been made
  2. In its compromised form it makes the distinctively atheist argument against Romans 1 and its statement on intelligent design seen IN nature
 
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Many viewers requested a video on the literality of the creation days in Genesis 1. But, to be completely honest, I am making this video as a concession as I understand that this is a standard follow-up question to the video we have recently done on the Big Bang theory
Your video appears to apply some inference (what some might call extreme inference) to make a case for a non-literal period of time -- in direct opposition to the concrete explicit statements in the chapter about the literal days each having 'evening and morning'. Your argument leans heavily on your inferences about exactly what science fact is included in "without form and void" - without taking into consideration the other place this phrase is used (Jer 4) where none of your assumptions about that phrase would work.

By the way -- day one "let there be light" -- the very thing some folks suppose cannot be there for the first three days for each of the "evening and mornings" -- because they suppose that the only source of light God is aware of is fusion reactions 93 million miles from Earth.
The earth returns somewhat to that desolate state 'formless and void" during the Millennium as we see in Jer 4: 23 "I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light."


And to the heavens, and they had no light.
24 I looked on the mountains, and behold, they were quaking,
And all the hills jolted back and forth.
25 I looked, and behold, there was no human,
And all the birds of the sky had fled.
26 I looked, and behold, the fruitful land was a wilderness,
And all its cities were pulled down
Before the Lord, before His fierce anger
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You, I believe, are one of the "God waved His hand and it all just happened party".
Ps 33:9
For He spoke, and it was done;
He commanded, and it stood firm.


Is there some sort of contest here to see how we can most directly contradict/mock scripture?
You both believe that "it just happened".
It all took less than a week, right?
Ex 20:11 (legal code -- for the poets out there)
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and everything that is in them, and He rested on the seventh day; for that reason the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

Gen 2:2-3 "By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because on it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

scripture is very clear as it turns out.

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On the other hand I agree with you somewhat that the path down which you have chosen walk regarding this topic - does in fact lead to the strong opposing statements you are making.
 
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Ps 33:9
For He spoke, and it was done;
He commanded, and it stood firm.


Is there some sort of contest here to see how we can most directly contradict/mock scripture?
Be good enough to show me where it says "and that's all He done". Again, you trivialize the Creation as magic. I consider it an act of impossible grandeur. you make sound like pulling a rabbit out of a hat.
scripture is very clear as it turns out.
Apparently not, since you have to change "an evening and a morning" to mean something they never mean in any culture, ever. But you gotta get around the "no sun yet", problem.
On the other hand I agree with you somewhat that the path down which you have chosen walk regarding this topic - does in fact lead to the strong opposing statements you are making.
My position is simple. You have to trivialize the Creation to support the doctrine upon which your denomination was founded. If the universe wsn't created in six human (when there were no humans about) solar (when there was no sun) days, then your fundamental doctrine goes aground. You're stuck with the burden of turning poetry into technical fact, and if you have to jump through hoops to do it then you bring a large supply of hoops.
 
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ADMIN HAT ON

Stop bickering back and forth, address the content and not the poster. Place other users on the "Ignore" list if you need to.

ADMIN HAT OFF
 
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Apparently not, since you have to change "an evening and a morning" to mean something they never mean in any culture, ever.
What?
But you gotta get around the "no sun yet", problem.
why? Day 1 - God creates light for planet Earth - so the supposed "sun problem" does not exist because Genesis 1 clearly teaches that light can exist even when there is not a fusion reaction taking place 93 million miles from Earth.

So it is 'day 1' that addresses your objection. I am simply noting "the detail"
My position is simple. You have to trivialize the Creation to support the doctrine
On the contrary - paying attention to the details "in the text" has resolved all the issues you have mentioned so far.
If the universe wsn't created in six human (when there were no humans about) solar (when there was no sun) days, then your fundamental doctrine goes aground.
err... ummm... I never said the entire universe was created in 6 or 7 days. I said all life on planet Earth and our Sun and moon were according to Genesis 1 - Genesis 2:2-3. And even the legal code of Ex 20:11 affirms that those are days - like the days at Sinai. That legal code "is not poetry".

Ex 20:11 (legal code -- for the poets out there)
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and everything that is in them, and He rested on the seventh day; for that reason the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

Gen 2:2-3 "By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because on it He rested from all His work which God had created and made."

The case is made in legal code that the days in Gen 1-2 are just as a they read - real days with each one having one "evening and morning"
 
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Yep. Only 6 to make everything.
Genesis 1 does not say He made it all in a week. Genesis says that God said. He proclaims it all to be. I am surprised it would take him a whole week and that He did not do it all in an instant or the twinkle of an eye.

Isaiah 46:10
I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come.
I say, 'My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.'

My dad was sitting at dinner talking to my mom about building a house. He started to make a rough plan on a napkin. He then took that to an architect who designed the house and then he hired a builder to build the house.
 
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Genesis 1 does not say He made it all in a week. Genesis says that God said. He proclaims it all to be. I am surprised it would take him a whole week and that He did not do it all in an instant or the twinkle of an eye.

Isaiah 46:10
I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come.
I say, 'My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.'
So why does Gen 1 gave days and things God did on certain days?

Why not just believe what the eye witness to the event's of creation said happened?
 
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So why does Gen 1 gave days and things God did on certain days?
The only day is the first day. Everything else is a copy. I had a job once to make patterns. Then we used the patterns to make doors for cabinets. You can never get an exact copy of the original, but most of the copies look alike.

Proverbs 4:18 (KJV): "But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day."

In this verse, the "path of the just" or the "path of the righteous" is likened to a shining light that continues to shine brighter and brighter, ultimately leading to the "perfect day." This metaphor emphasizes the idea of spiritual growth, progress, and the pursuit of righteousness.

Future Perfect Day in God's Kingdom: In eschatological terms, there's a concept of a "perfect day" or a time of ultimate peace, righteousness, and perfection in God's future Kingdom. Scriptures like Revelation 21:4 (NIV) point to a time when God will wipe away every tear and there will be no more death, mourning, crying, or pain.
 
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Why not just believe what the eye witness to the event's of creation said happened?
We have evolved from the beginning, so we were there. Even our name is written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world.

This perspective aligns with a understanding that incorporates predestination and the idea of God's foreknowledge. This view posits that God, being all-knowing and eternal, has foreknowledge of every individual, including their existence and actions throughout time.

Isaiah 46:10​


I declare the end from the beginning, and ancient times from what is still to come.
I say, 'My purpose will stand, and all My good pleasure I will accomplish.'

Jeremiah 1:12 The LORD said to me, “You have seen correctly, for I am watching to see that my word is fulfilled.”

David tells us that people are blotted out of the book of Life.

Psalm 69:28
May they be blotted out of the Book of Life and not listed with the righteous.

In the New Testament, particularly Revelation 20:15 and Revelation 21:27 highlight the idea that those not found in the Book of Life will face judgment.

Revelation 3_5 "The one overcoming thus will be clothed in white garments. And I will never blot out his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels."
 
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We have evolved from the beginning, so we were there. Even our name is written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world.

This perspective aligns with a understanding that incorporates predestination and the idea of God's foreknowledge. This view posits that God, being all-knowing and eternal, has foreknowledge of every individual, including their existence and actions throughout time.

Isaiah 46:10

I declare the end from the beginning, and ancient times from what is still to come.
I say, 'My purpose will stand, and all My good pleasure I will accomplish.'

Jeremiah 1:12 The LORD said to me, “You have seen correctly, for I am watching to see that my word is fulfilled.”

David tells us that people are blotted out of the book of Life.

Psalm 69:28
May they be blotted out of the Book of Life and not listed with the righteous.

In the New Testament, particularly Revelation 20:15 and Revelation 21:27 highlight the idea that those not found in the Book of Life will face judgment.

Revelation 3_5 "The one overcoming thus will be clothed in white garments. And I will never blot out his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels."
All good except we did not evolve.
6 days to create was what God said and that is what He did.
 
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So you say that the Earth.is not spinning and there are no such things as days and nights.
That is the best you can do to understand what I am saying? Or are you just being facetious?

The Creation of Time​

Each day of creation is numbered. Yet Nahmanides points out that there is discontinuity in the way the days are numbered. The verse says: "There is evening and morning, Day One." But the second day doesn't say "evening and morning, Day Two." Rather, it says "evening and morning, a second day." And the Torah continues with this pattern: "Evening and morning, a third day... a fourth day... a fifth day... the sixth day." Only on the first day does the text use a different form: not "first day," but "Day One" ("Yom Echad"). Many English translations that make the mistake of writing "a first day." That's because editors want things to be nice and consistent. But they throw out the cosmic message in the text! That message, as Nahmanides points out, is that there is a qualitative difference between "one" and "first." One is absolute; first is comparative. The Torah could not write “a first day” on the first day because there had not yet been a second day relative to it. Had the perspective of the Bible for the first six days been from Sinai looking back, the Torah would have written a first day. By the time the Torah was given on Sinai there had been hundreds of thousands of "second days." The perspective of the Bible for the six days of Genesis is from the only time in the history of time when there had not been a second day. And that is the first day. From the creation of the universe to the creation of the soul of Adam, the Torah views time from near the beginning looking forward. At the creation of Adam and Eve, the soul of humanity, the Bible perspective switches to earth based time. And therefore the biblical description of time changed.

 
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That's because editors want things to be nice and consistent. But they throw out the cosmic message in the text!
And perhaps not at all for consistency , because they want to copyright their version, and need "changes" unauthorized but done, to be granted a copyright (for money, et al)
 
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