Are the creation days literal 24 hours? by Fr. Gabriel Wissa

[Diamond72]

All good except we did not evolve.

The word is in our dictionary for a reason.

The term "evolve" is a verb that describes a process of gradual development, change, or transformation over a period of time. It is commonly used in various contexts, including biology, culture, technology, and ideas, to describe how something undergoes alteration, growth, or advancement.

Theistic evolution is a perspective that seeks to reconcile the theory of biological evolution with religious beliefs, particularly those related to a belief in God as the creator. It acknowledges the scientific understanding of evolution while also asserting that God played a role in guiding or directing the evolutionary processes.

 

[Aaron112]

It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man. Psalm 118:8
Assundry revelations of His Word :


And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves G4982 from this untoward generation.


And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. G4982


And others save G4982 with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.




I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved G4982 the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.


Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.



And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.





And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

And he went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem.

Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,

Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

 

[Aaron112]

Anecdotal for those who sadly prefer science to truth or revelation >>

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"The leopard comes every night to meet the cow and the cow licks its head.

The man spoke with the previous owner of the cow and found out that the leopard's mother had died when it was only twenty days old and since then the cow had fed the leopard with her milk. Therefore, the leopard thinks that the cow is her mother and comes every night to see her."

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Geocentrism as in fixed Earth and moving universe (not to be mistaken with everything orbiting Earth) and heliocentrism are interchangeable according to some of the most famous scientists and physicists.
One should choose their model based on their philosophical views.
Albert Einstein invented Special Relativity to counter experiments revealing that the Earth was motionless in space, which then led him to General Relativity that forced him to accept a motionless Earth as a viable and worthy cosmological system.
Stephen Hawking, the next most famous physicist after Einstein, said: So which is real, the Ptolemaic or the Copernican system? Although it is not uncommon for people to say that Copernicus proved Ptolemy wrong, that is not true. As in the case of our normal view versus that of the goldfish, one can use either picture as a model of the universe, for our observations of the heavens can be explained by assuming either the earth or the sun to be at rest.
Modern science has, indeed, been very happy to follow Einstein’s prescription to “accept Copernicus’ point of view” even though it has been made very clear that “the advance of science” has revealed it is an unprovable assumption. As one of Einstein’s staunch supporters and a much admired physicist in his own right, Sir Arthur Eddington, admitted about the question:
Which is right?....Or are both the victims of illusion?....No one knows which is right. No one will ever know, because we can never find out which, if either, is truly at rest in the aether….The bulge of the Earth’s equator may be attributed indifferently to the Earth’s rotation or to the outward pull of the centrifugal force introduced when the Earth is regarded as non-rotating.
In reality, NASA will use whatever system is more convenient, the heliocentric or the geocentric, since NASA’s orbital mechanics know that both models are equivalent, geometrically and dynamically. "

 

[Aaron112]

The use of the word "thus" is indicative of a conclusion.

Again not necessary, no argument or debate at all helpful nor needed in this case,
but
edited/changed "thus" anyway.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Both groups are equally dismissive of the incomprehensible grandeur of God's Creation.

Imagine being one of our ancestors long before inventions and discoveries such as the telescope, the concepts of area, logic, number theory, geometry, optics. They didn't even see the difference between the reflected light of the planets and the emanating light of the sun and stars. But they did see that it was awesome and that it was good and orderly. And, unlike today, they had much greater appreciation for poetry, storytelling and imagination to acknowledge the glory and power of God. And that they did to the best of their abilities with God's inspiration.

Then we come along thousands of years later with all the accumulated knowledge of centuries and centuries of observation, thought, theory, testing and discovery. Can there be any wonder that many of us appreciate Genesis not for its literal creation fact telling, but for its figurative theological reflection God's relationship with humanity and creation.

 

[Diamond72]

Imagine being one of our ancestors long before inventions and discoveries such as the telescope, the concepts of area, logic, number theory, geometry, optics.

Moses and Abraham knew quite a bit. They could not have built the pyramids without Geometry.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Moses and Abraham knew quite a bit. They could not have built the pyramids without Geometry.

Then we must ask the question, "When was Genesis written?" and "who wrote it?"
Soon after creation? Or much later in history, like when the Egyptians built pyramids.

 

[dwb001]

Then we must ask the question, "When was genesis written?" and "who wrote it?"
Soon after creation? Or much later in history, like when the Egyptians built pyramids.

There is even a deeper question. When was the original stories written?

Moses just compiled early history when documenting the Jewish histories.

 

[shadowhunter]

In the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit; One God, Amen. Many viewers requested a video on the literality of the creation days in Genesis 1. But, to be completely honest, I am making this video as a concession as I understand that this is a standard follow-up question to the video we have recently done on the Big Bang theory; however, I strongly believe that a scientific approach to Genesis 1 is an oversight of the fundamental message conveyed by the author. The language in the first chapters of Genesis is semi-poetic in nature. And, it is not meant to be read through a scientific lens. So, I will present in a future video, how a Christian ought to properly approach Genesis 1; but in the meantime, I will answer the question of the literality of the days for the sake of those who need an answer.

Are the creation days literal 24 hours? by Fr. Gabriel Wissa

Many viewers requested a video on the literality of the creation days. A scientific approach to Genesis 1 is an oversight of the fundamental message

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I apologize for not enduring the bickering of the rest of the thread, and picking up with the OP.

The purpose, which you elude to, is not scientific. This is true since Jesus said it's purpose was to reveal him. However, the rest or scripture speaks of Jesus hidden in prophetic riddle within a literal history. On that basis, Ge 1 is scientifically true. The problem is that science changes and Hebrew is not understood.

The Hebrew says that in Ge 1 there is no time. 'Day One' is 'Day One', not 'The First Day'. The others are second, third , etc. As you noted, in conclusion it is said that all seven days are in one day. They are in Day One. There was no time. Time is an illusionary artifact of the fall given to remind us of the consequences of sin. There is no yesterday; just a memory. There is no tomorrow; just a hope of fear. Choose you THIS day whom you will serve while it is TODAY.

On day four, again the Hebrew is not understood. 'Lights' means 'objects from light'. In the Big Bang, there was energy. As it cooled it formed mass. On the fourth day, light formed lights.

You correctly observed that the seventh day did not end. Ge 1:1 is a summary of the whole event. The double את tells us that he created everything in all time. 'In the beginning' 'beresh-ith' also means "created 'bara' six 'sh-ith' ". The six days of creation are included 'in the beginning' which includes all of time.

We are currently in the sixth day where Christ and his bride are fruitful, by the fruit of the Spirit, and multiplying, by teaching. this is the opposite of 'tohu' and 'bohu'. Fruitful is the opposite of vain, and multiplying is the opposite of empty. Ge 1 is the story of how God made his creation go from vain and empty to fruitful and multiplying. It is the book of life.

The alleged contradiction between creation accounts disappears when the chapter is properly concluded with v5 rather than v4. Since 'heaven and earth' is mentioned 4 times. v5 is used to point to the other bookend 'before there were plants, etc'. Plants occurred on the third day, so it points to the first day as the bookend. You do not mistake the fourth day as the bookend.

The Hebrew is also not understood concerning 'yom' יום. By formation, it is ''God's purpose י made clear ו by the finished work (according the the law) of the son ם.' Each day is a picture of Christ.

1: God's character Holy and Love. Evening = grace through the cross. Morning = holiness through resurrection.
2: God's word divided to express holiness through Law and judgement, grace to be expressed through longsuffering and sacrifices.
3: God's work incarnation. See the work of Christ in the parable of the Mustard seed. (bad name) Mustard in Greek sounds like 'bruised by anger' in Hebrew. Jesus is the least of all the seed with the bruised heel (seed of the grass), he becomes the great herb (given to men and cattle to eat) or the teacher, then grows to be the tree (the cross). At Christmas the seed is placed in a feeding trough with gass surrounded by cattle and men, as a [promise of the cross.
4: Christ makes us holy. The displays of holiness in the world. (lights in the firmament)
5. Christ (the word/water) makes us obedient in the word (fish) and in the Spirit (birds) by his word.
6. Christ judged the animals (gave them names) obtained his bride through his sleep/death and was fruitful and multiplying.
7. We do not fully enter his rest until we shed our body of sin and death.

When you read scripture, if you do not see Christ, you have missed the point.

[Sorry, the filter is interpreting Hebrew as swearing LOL. I added hyphens to maybe get around it.}

 

[Diamond72]

Then we must ask the question, "When was genesis written?" and "who wrote it?"
Soon after creation? Or much later in history, like when the Egyptians built pyramids.

Written on Papyrus. There is an oral tradition going back to Abraham and Adam. Also there are clay tablets. Alexander the great sold all of that to pay off his debts. Then he had a fire to cover up what he had done. A lot of the ancient documents ended up in Monasteries to preserve them. In some cases they are digitalized and scanned to put on the internet. A lot of our written Bible was oral tradition. It would be like having the lyrics to a song but not the music. That was memorized. It is very interesting to study the Hebrew and how we got our Bible today.

If you look at the Hebrew all the little dots and dashes were not a part of the Bible. The Rabbi added them. The system of diacritical marks and vowel pointing in Hebrew, often referred to as "nikkud" or "nekudot," which are the dots and dashes added to the letters of the Hebrew alphabet to indicate vowels and pronunciation. This system was developed by Jewish scribes and scholars, particularly the Masoretes, to aid in the accurate reading and pronunciation of the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh).

Moses and Abraham received the best education available to them in their day and time. Moses also studied under Jethro his father in law.

In Exodus 18:13-27, Jethro observed Moses handling disputes and matters of law for the people. He offered wise advice to Moses on how to delegate responsibilities and establish a system of judges to help manage the people's needs more effectively. Moses took this advice to heart and implemented the suggestions, allowing for a more organized and efficient way of governing the people.

The story illustrates the value of mentorship and wise counsel, even from a family member like Jethro, who provided valuable guidance to Moses in managing the challenges of leading a large community.

 

[shadowhunter]

Written on Papyrus. There is an oral tradition going back to Abraham and Adam. Also there are clay tablets. Alexander the great sold all of that to pay off his debts. Then he had a fire to cover up what he had done. A lot of the ancient documents ended up in Monasteries to preserve them. In some cases they are digitalized and scanned to put on the internet. A lot of our written Bible was oral tradition. It would be like having the lyrics to a song but not the music. That was memorized. It is very interesting to study the Hebrew and how we got our Bible today.

If you look at the Hebrew all the little dots and dashes were not a part of the Bible. The Rabbi added them. The system of diacritical marks and vowel pointing in Hebrew, often referred to as "nikkud" or "nekudot," which are the dots and dashes added to the letters of the Hebrew alphabet to indicate vowels and pronunciation. This system was developed by Jewish scribes and scholars, particularly the Masoretes, to aid in the accurate reading and pronunciation of the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh).

Moses and Abraham received the best education available to them in their day and time. Moses also studied under Jethro his father in law.

In Exodus 18:13-27, Jethro observed Moses handling disputes and matters of law for the people. He offered wise advice to Moses on how to delegate responsibilities and establish a system of judges to help manage the people's needs more effectively. Moses took this advice to heart and implemented the suggestions, allowing for a more organized and efficient way of governing the people.

The story illustrates the value of mentorship and wise counsel, even from a family member like Jethro, who provided valuable guidance to Moses in managing the challenges of leading a large community.

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That's one theory used to cast doubt on the word. The other is that it was passed from Father to son from the beginning, with the names of the eye-witnesses still preserved in the text. See P.J. Wiseman.

 

[Diamond72]

That's one theory used to cast doubt on the word.

The oral tradition is far from theory. As I pointed out already, we would not have our Bible today if it were not for the oral tradition. For us the problem is when they add to the Bible. They have something like 316 commandments that they follow.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

That's one theory used to cast doubt on the word. The other is that it was passed from Father to son from the beginning, with the names of the eye-witnesses still preserved in the text. See P.J. Wiseman.

Eyewitnesses of creation? Adam and Eve?

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

There is even a deeper question. When was the original stories written?

Moses just compiled early history when documenting the Jewish histories.

Does the Bible say that?

 

[Diamond72]

Does the Bible say that?

There are lots of scriptures about how we are to teach our children. When Proverbs tells us "A good man leaves an inheritance to his children's children". This has to do with more than money.

1. Deuteronomy 6:7 (New International Version): "Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up."
2. Exodus 13:8-9 (New International Version): "On that day tell your son, 'I do this because of what the Lord did for me when I came out of Egypt.' This observance will be for you like a sign on your hand and a reminder on your forehead that this law of the Lord is to be on your lips. For the Lord brought you out of Egypt with his mighty hand."

 

[Diamond72]

Eyewitnesses of creation? Adam and Eve?

Job 38 6 On what were its foundations set, or who laid its cornerstone,
7while the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

The question is, who are the morning stars? We are the morning star because according to science we are star stuff.

He never owned a cat it his life.

Cats own us, we do not own them.

 

[dwb001]

Does the Bible say that?

Never said it did. It can be reasoned.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Never said it did. It can be reasoned.

Like flat, stationary, young Earth and solid dome sky?

 

[dwb001]

Like flat, stationary, young Earth and solid dome sky?

Nope... young Earth yes... but the others nope.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

There are lots of scriptures about how we are to teach our children. When Proverbs tells us "A good man leaves an inheritance to his children's children". This has to do with more than money.

1. Deuteronomy 6:7 (New International Version): "Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up."
2. Exodus 13:8-9 (New International Version): "On that day tell your son, 'I do this because of what the Lord did for me when I came out of Egypt.' This observance will be for you like a sign on your hand and a reminder on your forehead that this law of the Lord is to be on your lips. For the Lord brought you out of Egypt with his mighty hand."

Who says Moses did the documentation?