Are tatoos wrong?

[dignitized]

So the Council of Jerusalem was wrong? Should we throw out Acts 10 and 15 as anathema?

Pray tell what did the council of Jersalem do which you understand to be throwing out the law?

 

[Sketcher]

The Jewish Law does not apply to Gentiles. That is what they ruled. We do not have to be circumcised nor are we required to obey the Law of Moses.

"It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell."

Tatoos did not make the list, therefore God is not requiring that we not have tatoos anymore.

 

[9-iron]

NOW any claims that the Old covenant is voided is not supportable by scripture. God does not go back on His word or His promises.

You are living under two convenants to stand justified before God.

Read what I am saying! I’m NOT saying that any act of my or of yours is valuable unto our redemption. NOTHING you or I do or say can save us. ONLY Christ can save us - and when the NT speaks of being free from the law it is in this wise - that we are free of the penalty of the law which is DEATH.

Well if you are free from the law in anyway why put yourself under it. Would you not be better off being in Christ? The righteousness of Christ exceeds the righteousness of the law correct?

When Paul speaks saying that we are free from the law - he speaks of the penalty of the law not from the efforts of doing what is RIGHT in the eyes of God - or from NOT doing what God has said to be wrong. The New Covenant made in Christ’s own blood does not void the covenant God made with Israel through Moses - it FULFILLS the Mosaic Covenant.

Hebrews 8:1-10 God Himself VOIDS the first Covenant!!

 

[Ratchet]

I would never get one but some people might I don't consider it a sin.

 

[Jig]

Again, we are not under Mosiac Law anymore. Tattos were something Gentiles took part of. The Law was meant not only to push morality and knowledge of sin but to keep seperation between Jew and Gentile. To prevent intermingling that could cause problems. Since Jesus, this seperation has been restored between Jew and Gentile.

It also does say we should do everything for the glory of God. Why would getting a cross tattoo not be for the glory of God? I guess one could argue about tattoos of butterflies and such, but still...this still doesn't make since. A butterfly is innocent, it is not evil. Evil is the opposite of good, all that is good is God. God created the butterfly and made it beautiful. I see no harm in glorifing God through His own creation.

Yes, our body is God's temple. We should not defile it. How is a tattoo of a cross defiling God's temple? How is a butterfly defiling God's temple? You say a tattoo in gerenal is a defilment. Who's defintion you using? A previous poster made a soild point. Many temples and churchs have decorations and paintings. In conclusion, if the tattoo is good in nature, it's ok to get!

 

[rodimus321]

I've got three and I am not ashamed of them. My body is a temple and every temple I've seen and read about was decorated. My tattos are not bad in any way. I have a wolf, an angel wearing the armor of god (with the corresponding reference below) and a cross with another verse. They actually do bring up many questions by nonbelievers, usually "What verse is that, what does it say?" In fact when I got the Angel, the artist and I had a great talk while he was doing it.

 

[dignitized]

The Jewish Law does not apply to Gentiles.

Okay well then how do you deal with the fact that all believers are grafted into Israel according to scriptures? Or the fact that Scripture tells us we are neither Jew nor Greek (gentile) in Christ? God's law applies to God's people.

That is what they ruled. We do not have to be circumcised nor are we required to obey the Law of Moses.

Circumcision was the SIGN of the mosaic covenant. What need do we have of that sign when we have the sign of the fulfilment of the Mosaic Covenant.

"It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell."

AGAIN - is murder allowable for Christians? Is a Christian allowed have other God's? Is a Christian redeemed without the shedding of blood?

Tatoos did not make the list, therefore God is not requiring that we not have tatoos anymore.

There is NOTHING in the Gospels or the Epistles which negates the enjoinder against them.

 

[dignitized]

You are living under two convenants to stand justified before God.

1 covenant. Christ did not undo or dispose of what was - he is the FULFILLMENT of what God ordained through Moses.

Well if you are free from the law in anyway why put yourself under it. Would you not be better off being in Christ? The righteousness of Christ exceeds the righteousness of the law correct?

You misunderstand. The "righteousness of the Law" is the assumption that what we do makes us worthy of salvation. It does not mean that the law is useless or that we as believers are allowed to IGNORE it! We STILL must persue holiness and live righteously.

Hebrews 8:1-10 God Himself VOIDS the first Covenant!!

where does it even IMPLY in the passage you quoted that anything is voided??

Heb 8:1 Now a summary over the things being said: We have such a High Priest, who sat down on the right of the throne of the Majesty in Heaven, Psa. 110:1
Heb 8:2 Minister of the Holy of Holies, and of the true tabernacle which the Lord pitched, and not man.
Heb 8:3 For every high priest is set in place to offer both gifts and sacrifices; from which it is necessary for this One also to have something which He may offer.
Heb 8:4 For if indeed He were on earth, He would not even be a priest, there being those priests offering gifts according to the Law,
Heb 8:5 who serve the pattern of and shadow of heavenly things, even as Moses was divinely warned, being about to make the tabernacle: For He says, "See that you make all things according to the pattern being shown to you in the mount." Exodus 25:40
Heb 8:6 But now He has gotten a more excellent ministry, also by so much as He is a Mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first was faultless, place would not have been sought for a second.
Heb 8:8 For finding fault, He said to them, "Behold, days are coming, says the Lord, and I will make an end on the house of Israel and on the house of Judah; a new covenant shall be,
Heb 8:9 not according to the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day of My taking hold of their hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I did not regard them, says the Lord.
Heb 8:10 Because this is the covenant which I will covenant with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord, giving My Laws into their mind, and I will write them on their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be My people."

Christ as High Priest does not void the Mosaic covenant - it is the full expression! If it were voided he would say that there is no need for a high priest - and that none now exists. But If Christ IS our High Priest, then nothing has been voided.

 

[dignitized]

Again, we are not under Mosiac Law anymore. Tattos were something Gentiles took part of. The Law was meant not only to push morality and knowledge of sin but to keep seperation between Jew and Gentile.

To what purpose? Why did God want to keep Jews apart from Gentiles? when you understand THAT - you will understand why Tattoos are wrong.

To prevent intermingling that could cause problems.

What kind of problems? Could it be - Could it be that God wanted His people to be HOLY and set appart unto Him? How can we be holy and set apart if we imitate the world?

Since Jesus, this seperation has been restored between Jew and Gentile.

IF we are believers. There is still a separation between God's people and those in the world - those OF the world.

It also does say we should do everything for the glory of God.

1Co 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.
1Co 10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:
1Co 10:33 Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.

IN OTHER WORDS - don't do anything which might be a stumbling block or might lead another away from the Glory of God.

Why would getting a cross tattoo not be for the glory of God?

For the same reason that committing murder in the name of God is not to His glory. You may have the best of intentions for why you do it - but that does not make it right.

I guess one could argue about tattoos of butterflies and such, but still...this still doesn't make since. A butterfly is innocent, it is not evil.

It's not the subject of the tattoo which makes it wrong - it's the form. I could write a truly beautiful and uplifting prayer - but if I write it in the blood of children - it's evil.

Evil is the opposite of good, all that is good is God.

Evil is the CORRUPTION of Good and all that is good is **OF** God.

God created the butterfly and made it beautiful.

And yet he rejects the notion of imprinting them on your flesh as wrong.

I see no harm in glorifing God through His own creation.

Neither do I - EXCEPT when it corrupts His creation.

Yes, our body is God's temple. We should not defile it. How is a tattoo of a cross defiling God's temple?

The same way that spray painting God is AWSOME! on the doors of a Church defiles that building.

How is a butterfly defiling God's temple?

Not the subject - but the form defiles.

You say a tattoo in gerenal is a defilment. Who's defintion you using? A previous poster made a soild point. Many temples and churchs have decorations and paintings. In conclusion, if the tattoo is good in nature, it's ok to get!

In conclusion - you are using relative morality which is contrary to the word of God and to the gospel.

 

[Jig]

To what purpose? Why did God want to keep Jews apart from Gentiles? when you understand THAT - you will understand why Tattoos are wrong. What kind of problems? Could it be - Could it be that God wanted His people to be HOLY and set appart unto Him? How can we be holy and set apart if we imitate the world? IF we are believers. There is still a separation between God's people and those in the world - those OF the world.


IN OTHER WORDS - don't do anything which might be a stumbling block or might lead another away from the Glory of God. For the same reason that committing murder in the name of God is not to His glory. You may have the best of intentions for why you do it - but that does not make it right. It's not the subject of the tattoo which makes it wrong - it's the form. I could write a truly beautiful and uplifting prayer - but if I write it in the blood of children - it's evil. Evil is the CORRUPTION of Good and all that is good is **OF** God. And yet he rejects the notion of imprinting them on your flesh as wrong. Neither do I - EXCEPT when it corrupts His creation.
The same way that spray painting God is AWSOME! on the doors of a Church defiles that building. Not the subject - but the form defiles. In conclusion - you are using relative morality which is contrary to the word of God and to the gospel.

YOu missed my point. Since I don't believe that the tattoos mentioned in Lev. are that of which we do today, plus the fact mosiac law is fullfilled, I can't follow your ideas of explaining what a unfathomable God wants and does not want. I simple am saying I cant see nothing wrong with tattoos today. Your saying God doesn't want this. See the difference. The passages you use only provide speculation.

 

[dignitized]

YOu missed my point. Since I don't believe that the tattoos mentioned in Lev. are that of which we do today, plus the fact mosiac law is fullfilled, I can't follow your ideas of explaining what a unfathomable God wants and does not want. I simple am saying I cant see nothing wrong with tattoos today. Your saying God doesn't want this. See the difference. The passages you use only provide speculation.

Oh I got your point. You make an artificial difference between one type of tattoo and another. Both mark the flesh - but you "FEEL" that there is a difference.

OH AND - only part of the Mosaic law is fulfilled. There are still things from that law which stand - LIKE the laws against incest for example. Or are you going to make the case that if you love your sibling just the right way you "feel" that they should be allowed to marry?

 

[Jig]

Oh I got your point. You make an artificial difference between one type of tattoo and another. Both mark the flesh - but you "FEEL" that there is a difference.

OH AND - only part of the Mosaic law is fulfilled. There are still things from that law which stand - LIKE the laws against incest for example. Or are you going to make the case that if you love your sibling just the right way you "feel" that they should be allowed to marry?

Gee...whatever. We obviously wont agree. The tattoos used by Gentiles were for paganistic worship. History proves this. Thats why they were banned. Today that can still be the case, I agree....but not for most people.

 

[earringguy]

Ditto. I got my tattoos before I was a Believer. I still have no problem with them. I love my tats. Considering another one. But that is just me. Your conscience may tell you something completely different.

Hello.

So did they hurt?

Where might you get your next one, if I may ask?

I think ankle, shoulder and lower back are the favourite ladies' tattoos.

For guys it seems to be arm and chest, I guess.

 

[dignitized]

Gee...whatever. We obviously wont agree. The tattoos used by Gentiles were for paganistic worship. History proves this. Thats why they were banned. Today that can still be the case, I agree....but not for most people.

Very well it is WHY they were banned - but the ban was never lifted.

 

[Jig]

Very well it is WHY they were banned - but the ban was never lifted.

How do you know? Who determines which ones get lifted or not? Why was the ban on Jews eating with Gentiles lifted? Many others don't apply today either. Strange.

 

[dignitized]

How do you know? Who determines which ones get lifted or not? Why was the ban on Jews eating with Gentiles lifted? Many others don't apply today either. Strange.

I don't see anywhere in Scripture or in the writings of the church fathers a lifting of the ban. I only see people TODAY making the case that tattoo's are alright now that they are cool and accepted in trendy society. GO FIGURE THAT! The world says they are cool and suddenly Christians are saying they are okay to get and have!

 

[philemon4_7]

I think I have seen that one. Warning-It is going to be STRANGE. There was a man on there that was gay, wanted to be a cougar so he got so many tattoos on his body that he resembled one. He also had these metal whisker impants in his cheeks.... oh yeah, sex change and breast implants, too, but I don't know what that has to do with anything. This man literally turned himself into a walking animal by the use of tattoos. I forgot... he also did something to his ears that made them go into a point like a cat.

Watching that show showed me how sick people truly are.

that doesnt make a guy sick... dont be so quick to judge would you judge an artist by a canvas they painted? the body is like a canvas, yes, it is a bit odd that he wants to do all that stuff to alter his image, but hey. God uss eveyron, not just straight laced people

 

[I'ddie4him]

I don't see anywhere in Scripture or in the writings of the church fathers a lifting of the ban. I only see people TODAY making the case that tattoo's are alright now that they are cool and accepted in trendy society. GO FIGURE THAT! The world says they are cool and suddenly Christians are saying they are okay to get and have!

Again, If you follow one of the 613 laws, Follow them all.
Very cut and dried.

 

[daverain]

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I don't see anywhere in Scripture or in the writings of the church fathers a lifting of the ban.

Here you go:

Galatians 3:16 (N.A.S.V.):

"... a man is

-NOT- justified

by the works of the law,

but

through faith in Christ Jesus."

And

Gal 3:21

...if a law had been given which was able to impart life, then righteousness would indeed have been based on the law"

(My words: but it's not.)


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[daverain]

I only see people TODAY making the case that tattoo's are alright now that they are cool and accepted in trendy society.

I knew someone who got them, because he was in a tough neighborhood, and he didn't want anyone to 'mess' with him, as it were.

It worked. Man -DOES- look at the outward appearance,

and...

tatooed-people do look more tough, as it were.



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