Are tatoos wrong?

[Tangnefedd]

I don't want to take my body into the hereafter, I hope there will be no need of bodies just a communication of the spirit. How can anybody logically think that a body that has rotted, or been created will be resurrected just makes no sense at all, unless you think God is going to magic the bits together, OH PLEASE!!!!

 

[dignitized]

No, no, no...c'mon people let's really explore what the Bible has to say






Everything we need to do (and should be doing) is summed up in these commands. That said,let me say, an awful lot of the leviticus commands make sense from a medical standpoint and funny how as we learn more about medicine we can look back and say, wow, they were already doing that or they already knew it.

Guarantee you'll meet plenty of people in heaven who had tattoos. You just won't see them because I'm relatively sure our glorified bodies won't have our earthly tattoos.

The law is summed up in two commands - Love the Lord with all of your heart, soul, and strenth.
Love your neighbor as yourself.

HOWEVER - that is NOT the totallity of the law - it is rather the basics of the law. If you want the pre-K version of the law: there you have it - two commands. If you want the graduate course - there are 613 mitzvot. AND As I have said - Christ tells us that not one IOTA of the law will be done away with until the heavens and the earth pass away. The earth is still here so the law is still here also.

 

[Entertaining_Angels]

The law is summed up in two commands - Love the Lord with all of your heart, soul, and strenth.
Love your neighbor as yourself.

HOWEVER - that is NOT the totallity of the law - it is rather the basics of the law. If you want the pre-K version of the law: there you have it - two commands. If you want the graduate course - there are 613 mitzvot. AND As I have said - Christ tells us that not one IOTA of the law will be done away with until the heavens and the earth pass away. The earth is still here so the law is still here also.

Matthew 18
2He called a little child and had him stand among them. 3And he said: "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

I'm okay with the pre-K version, thank you

 

[Shannonkish]

So.. Br Max.. you happen to follow all 613 of them on a daily basis?

 

[New_Wineskin]

I don't want to take my body into the hereafter, I hope there will be no need of bodies just a communication of the spirit. How can anybody logically think that a body that has rotted, or been created will be resurrected just makes no sense at all, unless you think God is going to magic the bits together, OH PLEASE!!!!

I agree with you on this . I plan on having my remains cremated wnad the ashes spread over three areas . Even if I had tatoos ( and , I don't ) , they would be a very small problem . Even the Scriptures say that we would have new bodies .

 

[Tangnefedd]

Hopefully the new bodies would be a little less prone to breakdown than the present ones. God has had millions of years to improve on the prototype!

 

[dignitized]

I'm okay with the pre-K version, thank you

You're welcome to stay in pre-K

1Co 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

1Co 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

Heb 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
Heb 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

 

[dignitized]

So.. Br Max.. you happen to follow all 613 of them on a daily basis?

Of course not. Many of them do not apply on a DAILY basis - others only apply to Levites - others only to women.

 

[Shannonkish]

I see... so the fact that Lev 19:28 has the stipulation of "for the dead" in it doesn't mean anything?

 

[Mashavu]

back to the topic at hand. I have a tattoo. Got it before I was a Christian but I have no problems with it now and have actually found, it opens up doors into discussing my beliefs with non-Christians, especially teens. God can and will use anything for His good if you let Him.

Ditto. I got my tattoos before I was a Believer. I still have no problem with them. I love my tats. Considering another one. But that is just me. Your conscience may tell you something completely different.

 

[Tangnefedd]

I have a very small one, self inflicted, that seemed a good idea at the time, with hindsight it wasn't very clever. I don't really like tattoos but defend to the death anyone's right to have one if that is what they would like.

 

[dignitized]

I have a very small one, self inflicted, that seemed a good idea at the time, with hindsight it wasn't very clever. I don't really like tattoos but defend to the death anyone's right to have one if that is what they would like.

If you want to have one - go right ahead. Just don't try to make the case that doing it is right in the eyes of God.

 

[dignitized]

I see... so the fact that Lev 19:28 has the stipulation of "for the dead" in it doesn't mean anything?

the "for the dead" stipulation was not connected to the Tattoos but to the CUTTING of the flesh. Basic grammar .

 

[Shannonkish]

[font=Arial, Helvetica][font=Arial, Helvetica]19:28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any l marks upon you: I [am] the LORD.
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[font=Arial, Helvetica][font=Arial, Helvetica](l) By whipping your bodies or burning marks in them.​

Also, Since we are attempting to follow all 613 laws... let's look a few and see how closely we are following it--

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[/font]every person shall write a scroll of the Torah for himself (Deut. 31:19)

When was the last time you wrote your own copy of the law?

To put fringes on the corners of clothing (Num. 15:38)

Fringes died out in the 80s... none of my clothes have fringes...

To bind God's Word on the arm (Deut. 6:8)

I haven't seen a single person with the Word of God bound on the arm or the head.

Not to intermarry with gentiles (Deut. 7:3)

That a bridegroom shall be exempt for a whole year from taking part in any public labor, such as military service, guarding the wall and similar duties (Deut. 24:5)

Man, I wish this tradition was still in place...

Not to travel on the Sabbath outside the limits of one's place of residence
(Ex. 16:29)

To celebrate the festivals (Ex.23:14)

I can't even name all the festivals, let alone celebrate all of them. How about you?

To examine the marks in cattle (so as to distinguish the clean from the unclean) (Lev. 11:2)

I don't know about you, but I purchase my meat at Kroger, and therefore cannot examine the marks.

Not to borrow on interest (Deut. 23:20) (because this would cause the lender to sin)

Guess my college loans are hindering my growth in God!

Not to wear garments made of wool and linen mixed together (Deut. 22:11)

Dang, I have to get rid of my favorite sweater now!

Not to mount the altar by steps (Ex. 20:23)

Lots of protestant churches fail here..

To set the showbread and the frankincense before the Lord every Sabbath (Ex. 25:30)

Does your church do this every week?

To offer up incense twice daily (Ex. 30:7)

I am allergic to incense.... another black mark on my record, right?
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[dignitized]

Lev 19:28

(ASV) Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am Jehovah.

(BBE) You may not make cuts in your flesh in respect for the dead, or have marks printed on your bodies: I am the Lord.

(Darby) And cuttings for a dead person shall ye not make in your flesh, nor put any tattoo writing upon you: I am Jehovah.

(DRB) You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh, for the dead: neither shall you make in yourselves any figures or marks. I am the Lord.

(ESV) You shall not make any cuts on your body for the dead or tattoo yourselves: I am the LORD.

(GB) Ye shall not cut your flesh for the dead, nor make any print of a marke vpon you: I am the Lord,

(HCSB) You are not to make gashes on your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves; I am the LORD.

(HNV) "'You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor tattoo any marks on you. I am the LORD.

(KJV) Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.

(LITV) And you shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead; and you shall not put on yourself any etched mark; I am Jehovah.

(trc) Ye shall not rent your flesh for any soul's sake, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.

(TS98) 'And do not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor put tattoo marks on you. I am יהוה.

(Tyndale) Ye shall not rent youre flesh for any soules sake, nor printe any markes apon you: I am the Lorde.

(Webster) Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.

(YLT) `And a cutting for the soul ye do not put in your flesh; and a writing, a cross-mark, ye do not put on you; I am Jehovah.

NOTICE that the cuttings are for the dead - the tattoos are separated from that modifying phrase. The prepositional phrase for the dead modifies the word right in front of it - CUTTINGS. There is nothing to indicate that it also modifies the tattoos comment except wishful thinking.

Also, Since we are attempting to follow all 613 laws... let's look a few and see how closely we are following it--

You might not like my answers No I'm SURE you will not like my answers.

When was the last time you wrote your own copy of the law?

Part of my religious training

Fringes died out in the 80s... none of my clothes have fringes...

OH don't be obtuse. The "fringe refered to are the Tzit-Tzit

I haven't seen a single person with the Word of God bound on the arm or the head.

You have never used Tafilan? I have.

Man, I wish this tradition was still in place...

It is. In Israel. It is also standard practice in my order. You are aforded a years "leave" after marriage.

I can't even name all the festivals, let alone celebrate all of them. How about you?

Every year. Old Testament and New testament. Would you like the list?

I don't know about you, but I purchase my meat at Kroger, and therefore cannot examine the marks.

You should try kosher beef. It's also corn fed rather than hopped up on hormones.

Guess my college loans are hindering my growth in God!

Debt always hinders growth.

Dang, I have to get rid of my favorite sweater now!

Well that's okay. I'm sure you have plenty of other clothes as well.

Lots of protestant churches fail here..

3 steps to the alter - 3 more to the high alter.

Does your church do this every week?

As a matter of fact we do. It's called the Eucharist.

I am allergic to incense.... another black mark on my record, right?

DO this too.

Anything else?

 

[Shannonkish]

Congrats for you Br.Max... you have now become Super Christian... your reward-- oh wait...

nevermind.

 

[dignitized]

Congrats for you Br.Max... you have now become Super Christian... your reward-- oh wait...

nevermind.

I never claimed to be ANYTHING. You asked - I answered. Nothing I DO makes me any more or any better of a Christian - but we are still supposed to DO and to TRY. We should fight the good fight and run the race. Sitting down at the starting line and saying: "God I have contempt for your rules" is hardly the way to run the race.

 

[9-iron]

I agree . But , since righteousness is not based on the Law , I can ignore it . It wasn't written to me , anyway .

Amazing that the Apostle Paul devoted a good bit of time in his writings adressing this problem. Why the church today can sit down with the NT writings and not see this is beyond me.

 

[marooyce]

Are tatoos wrong?

Of course they are.
Mark your own creation.

 

[MoreInSorrow]

You know, if the church spent as much time trying to reach the lost as they do arguing over petty issues like tattoos, maybe we'd be a little more effective, dontcha think?