ARE SOCIALISTIC FORCES USING COVID19

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Respectfully, that's not a true dichotomy so it can't be safely reasoned upon as a sound premise. Law and liberty are not mutually exclusive. For example, why should liberty be at odds with law? Good law would only restrict the bad things that would impede one's liberty in any righteous connotation of the term liberty. The same cannot be said about bad law. And what about liberty? Liberty from what? The law? If the law is good and points out what is criminal, the only positive connotation of liberty to be free from the good law would exist in the criminal mind, which is an unrighteous connotation of liberty. The sentiment you are probably trying to convey is that we need good laws and policy that serve to protect a righteous liberty for everyone.

There is some truth to that. However, cynicism is a circular reasoning that is self fulfilling when entertained. Because of this, cynicism is part of the sin that contributes to a wicked and worldly system. Cynicism works both ends against the middle in a left/right dichotomy in distrust of the other side. Politics are inevitable and there's a difference between a healthy skepticism and cynicism.

The semantics show that politics are inevitable because we share a house, a neighborhood, a country, a planet. However there is a distinction that can be drawn between those who seek power wherein for the sake of their own vanity they lust to rule over others, as opposed to those who are forced to vie for power just so that those who lust to rule over others, don't rule. Good and trustworthy public servants know that serving the people is to be carrying a great weight of responsibility. They only perform the duty because out of good conscience somebody must.

If I were to read some of their doctrines I could probably tell you whether or not they project from a servant or boss perspective of power (Christlike or Satanic image of God/god). Other than that, I don't know the extent of influence they possess.

I think your confused as to what I'm saying. Define what you mean by the middle ? define your belief simply without philosophy as I find it to be mostly a waste of time .

True Left and Right are opposing ideals. philosophers speak away the truth but that doesnt change the facts.
 
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I think your confused as to what I'm saying. what do you mean by the middle ? define your belief simply without philosophy as I find it to be mostly a waste of time .
I will do my best to answer your question.

My belief is Christianity. I would define it as the believing/trusting that Jesus of Nazareth, as testified to through the Gospel, is the Christ, the living embodiment of the Character of God, the True Image of God sent by God. As opposed to the worldly image of god which is a false image of god proposed by Satan. It is these two contrary images of God/god that ultimately defines our terms and our character. Accordingly, this trust in Jesus as the Christ has possessed me of a Spirit that instructs me in righteousness and convicts me of sin according to the standard of Loving others as I would want to be loved. This is the Truth I reason upon, as opposed to the worldly dog eat dog concept of do it to them before they do it to you.

So when discussing socialism, capitalism, Democracy, Autocracy and the dichotomies they exist in and which we reason upon, I'm not speaking at all about any type of philosophy with you. So if you're thinking that I am, then you're mistaken.

The middle is the middle of two subjective and opposing views where one can objectively see the valid arguments of both sides. I'm stating the fact that this is why a left/right dichotomy exists to denote an objective view at the center. It's provable as being only objective in the middle because this is where terms reverse in denotation and connotation from positive to negative and visa versa. For example a buyer finds a high price to be bad for them, while the seller finds the high price to be good for them. These are two subjective views of a buyer and a seller that create a left/right dichotomy where a high price reverses in connotation and denotation from positive to negative and visa versa. You see? None of this is philosophy, it's just the way things are.

In view of this fact, I am pointing out that Satan would use either term Capitalism/Socialism to develop propaganda appealing to either subjective view so as to deceive people, and cause division by working both ends against the middle, which is the objective view. The objective view is where one is able to see how to love others as yourself because only there can you understand both sides of an issue.

I'm speaking about facts and falsehoods associated with the terms socialism and capitalism and I'm pointing out the error of saying that Satan is using the term Socialism to push a one world agenda without making the distinction that Satan is a liar who has no intention of supporting the ideals of socialism. But I believe what you do have right is that the beast will attack capitalism in the world probably portraying it as in servitude to greed. The harlot who rides the beast is called the city where all things are bought and sold and people get rich from trade. The beast attacks the woman.

My concern has been that your op is not projecting any objective view, which will cause you to do to others what you wouldn't want done to you, even though you're thinking that you are doing to others exactly as you would want done to you. Why do I think you're violating the commandment? By speaking of all those who argue for socialism as if they are ruled by Satan and serving Satan's agenda, when in fact they're not.

Respectfully, you open your thread with a logical fallacy comparing the founding Fathers statement of not giving up freedom for security with socialism, as if that is what socialism does, when in fact they were moving against an autocracy/aristocracy of kingly rule towards Democracy. The founding fathers were protesting taxation without representation. They wrote the constitution giving the elected congressional representatives the power to tax and spend as they see fit for the common welfare. That includes public schools and social security both of which are socialism, and not Satanic simply because they don't bring forth monetary profit to a private owner or corporation. Finally, the mark of the beast is not Socialism nor Democracy, nor does it preclude capitalism. It's the forced devotion and fealty to a person so as to be able to buy or sell.
 
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Reusing the idiom, I'm showing how it is possible to manipulate people into despising or distrusting others over how they say or spell potato/potatoe.

As pertains to Democracy/autocracy and Socialism/capitalism, I pointed out that the objective view can see the valid argument from both sides while the subjective view can only see the argument as valid from their side.
I pointed out that objectively speaking, the perspective of each subjective view is revealed through the positive and negative denotations and connotations of binary terminology which reverse in a left/right dichotomy.
I showed that the occasion of semantics can be used to conceal a matter as well as reveal a matter, and the way one can tell the difference is because those who bring clarity to an issue are working both ends toward the center, while those who obscure the issue are working both ends against the middle.
I showed that those who use a left/right dichotomy to speak of one side as the good side and the other side as the bad are either misinformed or spreading disinformation.
Finally, I'm stating that the Spirit of God is not the author of confusion, or deception, or wickedness.

Glad you brought up the Spirit of God because in the Spirit one does NOT pretend to define worldly matters or worldly labels--- per se. Or even bring in secular dictionaries. My perceptions are garnered by the Wisdom of God.

Actually the Early Church had a form of socialism in the Bible. The term liberal is used --[generosity or give in liberality]. No mention of conservative which would be the opposite {stingy] if it were used today.

You do not agree with my wisdom --oh well.
 
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Today both conservative and liberal would be defined as greedy and self oriented, the default setting of mankind.
True, but then the Biblical labels are not what we assume.
 
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I will do my best to answer your question.

My belief is Christianity. I would define it as the believing/trusting that Jesus of Nazareth, as testified to through the Gospel, is the Christ, the living embodiment of the Character of God, the True Image of God sent by God. As opposed to the worldly image of god which is a false image of god proposed by Satan. It is these two contrary images of God/god that ultimately defines our terms and our character. Accordingly, this trust in Jesus as the Christ has possessed me of a Spirit that instructs me in righteousness and convicts me of sin according to the standard of Loving others as I would want to be loved. This is the Truth I reason upon, as opposed to the worldly dog eat dog concept of do it to them before they do it to you.

So when discussing socialism, capitalism, Democracy, Autocracy and the dichotomies they exist in and which we reason upon, I'm not speaking at all about any type of philosophy with u. So if you're thinking that I am, then you're mistaken.

The middle is the middle of two subjective and opposing views where one can objectively see the valid arguments of both sides. I'm stating the fact that this is why a left/right dichotomy exists to denote an objective view. It's only objective in the middle because this is where terms reverse in denotation and connotation from positive to negative and visa versa. For example a buyer finds a high price to be bad for them, while the seller finds the high price to be good for them. These are two subjective views of a buyer and a seller that create a left/right dichotomy.

In view of this fact, I am pointing out that Satan would use either term Capitalism/Socialism to develop propaganda appealing to either subjective view so as to deceive people, and cause division by working both ends against the middle, which is the objective view. The objective view is where one is able to see how to love others as yourself because only there can you understand both sides of an issue.

I'm speaking about facts and falsehoods associated with the terms socialism and capitalism and I'm pointing out the error of saying that Satan is using the term Socialism to push a one world agenda without making the distinction that Satan is a liar who has no intention of supporting the ideals of socialism. But I believe what you do have right is that the beast will attack capitalism in the world probably portraying it as in servitude to greed. The harlot who rides the beast is called the city where all things are bought and sold and people get rich from trade. The beast attacks the woman.

My concern has been that your op is not projecting any objective view, which will cause you to do to others what you wouldn't want done to you, even though you're thinking that you are doing to others exactly as you would want done to you. Why do I think you're violating the commandment? By speaking of all those who argue for socialism as if they are ruled by Satan and serving Satan's agenda, when in fact they're not.

Respectfully, you open your thread with a logical fallacy comparing the founding Fathers statement of not giving up freedom for security with socialism as if that is what socialism does, when in fact they were moving against an autocracy/aristocracy of kingly rule towards Democracy. The founding fathers were protesting taxation without representation. They wrote the constitution giving the elected congressional representatives the power to tax and spend as they see fit for the common welfare. Finally, the mark of the beast is not Socialism nor Democracy, nor does it preclude capitalism. It's the forced devotion and fealty to a person so as to be able to buy or sell.

The mark of beast I believe is tied to the political system which is continually evolving a political system which is becoming more socialistic in nature as the government is becoming larger more invasive and more controlling. Bill Gates is a capitalist who is very politically active and his technologies which are invasive are very dangerous to liberty. Or shall we talk about the capitalist David Rockerfeller and his politically active family who in his own book memoirs spoke of his desire and involvement in the creation of a One World system.

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Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure--one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.

David Rockefeller, Memoirs

The same Rockerfellor foundation who is currently involved with COVID19 that released a document in 2010 with a scenarios of how Governments will install totalitarian systems and push back citizens sovereignty through Pandemics.

Scenarios for the Future of Technology and International Development

LOCK STEP – A world of tighter top-down government control and more authoritarian leadership, with limited innovation and growing citizen pushback

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China’s government was not the only one that took extreme measures to protect its citizens from risk and exposure. During the pandemic, national leaders around the world flexed their authority and imposed airtight rules and restrictions, from the mandatory wearing of face
masks to body-temperature checks at the entries to communal spaces like train stations and supermarkets. Even after the pandemic faded, this more authoritarian control and oversight
of citizens and their activities stuck and even intensified
. In order to protect themselves from the spread of increasingly global problems — from
pandemics and transnational terrorism to environmental crises and rising poverty — leaders around the world took a firmer grip on power. At first, the notion of a more controlled world gained wide acceptance and approval. Citizens willingly gave up some of their sovereignty — and their privacy — to more paternalistic states In exchange for greater safety and stability. Citizens were more tolerant, and even eager, for top-down direction and oversight, and national leaders had more latitude to impose order in the ways they saw fit.

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These capitalists who own everything who at the same time influence politics and nearly all the media who at the same time want to use a virus to implement a track and trace upon every citizen are ultimately socialists. This is what John F Kennedy warned about in his speach because they are trying to build their one world totalitarian system.
 
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Glad you brought up the Spirit of God because in the Spirit one does NOT pretend to define worldly matters or worldly labels--- per se. Or even bring in secular dictionaries. My perceptions are garnered by the Wisdom of God.
It sounds like you're saying that God doesn't want people to look in the English dictionary to understand what a person means when they say autocracy or democracy, or socialism or capitalism.

I agree that God doesn't "pretend" to define worldly labels or worldly matters. I would add that He doesn't pretend to define Godly Labels or heavenly matters either. All in all God doesn't pretend nor does He have cause for pretense. But the devil does.


Actually the Early Church had a form of socialism in the Bible. The term liberal is used --[generosity or give in liberality]. No mention of conservative which would be the opposite {stingy] if it were used today.
The scriptures were not written in English to begin with. Liberal in English still means to give generously as the Merriam-Webster dictionary shows. Of course if we pretend to define words we could simply think it means socialist. We must remember that words are simply a means of expressing sentiments. What one person means is not always what another person hears.

You do not agree with my wisdom --oh well.
I don't know what you mean by your wisdom. I'm not going to appraise the person according to the wisdom God gives, for such is vanity and not wisdom. In fact I pray that God gives us all wisdom.
 
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It sounds like you're saying that God doesn't want people to look in the English dictionary to understand what a person means when they say autocracy or democracy, or socialism or capitalism.

I agree that God doesn't "pretend" to define worldly labels or worldly matters. I would add that He doesn't pretend to define Godly Labels or heavenly matters either. All in all God doesn't pretend nor does He have cause for pretense. But the devil does.


The scriptures were not written in English to begin with. Liberal in English still means to give generously as the Merriam-Webster dictionary shows. Of course if we pretend to define words we could simply think it means socialist. We must remember that words are simply a means of expressing sentiments. What one person means is not always what another person hears.

I don't know what you mean by your wisdom. I'm not going to appraise the person according to the wisdom God gives, for such is vanity and not wisdom. In fact I pray that God gives us all wisdom.

As I said before:

You do not agree with my wisdom --oh well.
 
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The mark of beast I believe is tied to the political system which is continually evolving a political system which is becoming more socialistic in nature as the government is becoming larger more invasive and more controlling.
I believe the mark which is necessary to buy or sell is the introduction of a digital currency. It seems most likely to me that it would be forced upon people due to a global collapse in the values of all other currency. It has nothing to do with socialism or capitalism but rather a collapse of the global financial system.


These capitalists who own everything who at the same time influence politics and nearly all the media who at the same time want to use a virus to implement a track and trace upon every citizen are ultimately socialists. This is what John F Kennedy warned about in his speach because they are trying to build their one world totalitarian system.
In my view the endeavor to track and trace every citizen would not qualify as socialism nor preclude capitalism since the mark is ultimately a means to buy and sell. And to say these capitalists Rockefeller and Gates who hold power and fortune only through capitalism are ultimately socialists, is frankly contradictory. JFK never mentioned nor alluded to socialism or any other economic system in his speech.
 
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No, the world is moving more and more to a Socially Liberal, full Capitalist economic society.

Full Capitalism is the goal.

But nowadays Capitalism is Socialism in the eyes the ill informed wretches.

The world has been made up of power bases of Liberal Democratic Capitalists and Conservative reactionary Capitalists for quite some time.

Yet for some reason these greedy money grabbers are now somehow trying implement Socialism, as if that makes any sense.

Capitalists must be laughing all the way to the bank, they gain more and more control worldwide, take most of its wealth, but then the common man blames "Socialism" and tries to stop Socialism, one of the things that is more explicitly against Capitalism, thus paving the way for even more Capitalistic control.

That being said, Socialism has its flaws and usually "sells out" so to speak or turns dogmatic and fanatical and undemocratic. A better way is pushing up approach, Syndicalism fighting for rights through direct democracy and pressure groups, rather than the flaws "top-down" model of Socialism.

But even a form of Socialism would be better than unrestricted Capitalism.
 
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We are returning to earlier times when disparity was pronounced and the few ruled all. Society is stratified. Separate and unequal is the theme. Left behind is the result. Many will suffer.

~Bella

and the only way out from that is direct action and applying pressure to the elite few, we need to see the return of major "general strikes", threaten their wealth a bit as we all make their wealth for them.
 
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Famous socialists believed that democracy would eventually lead to socialism and it appears that this is what is now happening.
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
This is a battle that has been raging for some time, and the lord Jesus may settle it soon.
 
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