Are Scientists Forced To Prove Evolution?

[gr4p34p3]

I was just wondering what people thought about this one. I know that some people believe in evolution independent of God (evolution created itself, essentially), some people believe in evolution guided by God (creationism via evolution), and others, such as myself, believe in total Creationism by God (everything on Earth was created by God, and there is no evolution of one species into another).

I have seen a lot of evidence provided by researchers supporting evolutionary theories on how evolution is the only way humans could have came to be. There has not been a lot of evidence widely publicized contradicting that. Although there have been books written and messages spoken showing how creationism is the way, there have been very few people in the academic world that have provided evidence for it.

My question for you is if you think that researchers have been getting increasingly more pressure to prove right evolution, and prove wrong Creation. Could they be throwing out their own contradictions to evolution that they find, because they don't think that they will be accepted? Have they been forced to make their data show one viewpoint? You comments on this would be appreciated.

 

[ZiSunka]

There has not been a lot of evidence widely publicized contradicting that.

Science can only investigate that which is directly observable, and the spiritual world cannot be directly observed by humans, therefore, science has to be silent on spiritual matters. Science can neither prove nor disprove anything about spiritual matters, therefore you will never see a scientific research report, study or textbook about anything spiritual.

The best scientists can do about spiritual matters is say, "We don't know." The only thing science can produce is agnostics.

 

[lithium.]

IMO I don't think so I don't think there being forced it's just they are finding so much evidence for evolution and none for a god creating us the way it says in the bible. But evolution will not be proven well if it is it will not be in our life time it is like the Theory of Gravity it can't be proven. But we know that there is gravity we just can't proof it.

A lot of people say well there isn't enough evidence for evolution but there really is. Maybe you can't see macro evolution but we don't it's happened.

So no scientist are not being forced to proof evolution. And it wouldn't be fair cause I don't see any evolutionist saying proof that the christian god created us the way the bible says.

P.S. sorry if this don't make sence I just woke up I was out last night.

 

[lithium.]

Originally posted by lambslove
Science can only investigate that which is directly observable, and the spiritual world cannot be directly observed by humans, therefore, science has to be silent on spiritual matters. Science can neither prove nor disprove anything about spiritual matters, therefore you will never see a scientific research report, study or textbook about anything spiritual.

The best scientists can do about spiritual matters is say, "We don't know." The only thing science can produce is agnostics.

Nice post, and you are completely right.

 

[LiveFreeOrDie]

Originally posted by gr4p34p3
Could they be throwing out their own contradictions to evolution that they find, because they don't think that they will be accepted?

Considering that the scientist who discovers compelling evidence contradicting evolution would become very famous, this doesn't seem likely.

Have they been forced to make their data show one viewpoint?

Forced by whom? What is the motive of those doing the forcing"

 

[Nathan Poe]

Originally posted by LiveFreeOrDie
Forced by whom?

Forced by the evolutionist/globalist/athiest/communist/satanic/occult/New Age/Wiccan/Harry Potter/New World Order Conspiracy, of course! Haven't you been reading these threads?

 

[lithium.]

Originally posted by Nathan Poe
Forced by the evolutionist/globalist/athiest/communist/satanic/occult/New Age/Wiccan/Harry Potter/New World Order Conspiracy, of course! Haven't you been reading these threads?

HUH? lol we don't force evolution to be proven. Or am I reading your post wrong?

 

[seebs]

The only people "forced" to certain opinions are ICR members and members of similar groups, who are required to sign oaths saying they will discard data which contradicts a young-earth view, pretty much.

I would argue that scientists who are honest with the data are forced to support evolution by the simple implications of the data they work with. If there's an intelligent agency in that, He has the authority to tell us what we will discover, and I have no complaints.

 

[ifriit]

gr4p34p3: I have seen a lot of evidence provided by researchers supporting evolutionary theories on how evolution is the only way humans could have came to be.

Okay, hold on a second. I'd be willing to bet money that you're misunderstanding what's being presented in the first place if you think this is the case. Evidence can only show that evolutionary theory is valid, it cannot prove that evolutionary theory is exclusively correct. Perhaps your problem is that the evidence invalidates some forms of creationist theories?

gr4p34p3: My question for you is if you think that researchers have been getting increasingly more pressure to prove right evolution, and prove wrong Creation. Could they be throwing out their own contradictions to evolution that they find, because they don't think that they will be accepted? Have they been forced to make their data show one viewpoint? You comments on this would be appreciated.

So, are you asking if some vast anti-scientific conspiracy has taken over the scientific community? Do you realize how ludicrous this sounds?

 

[MSBS]

Originally posted by gr4p34p3
My question for you is if you think that researchers have been getting increasingly more pressure to prove right evolution, and prove wrong Creation. Could they be throwing out their own contradictions to evolution that they find, because they don't think that they will be accepted? Have they been forced to make their data show one viewpoint? You comments on this would be appreciated.

No, there is no pressure to prove evolution. Research is research and the data shows what the data shows. No one is trying to disprove creationism-- the creationist (young earth) model failed over one hundred and forty years ago when researchers from fields ranging from astronomy, geology, and biology discovered evidence for great age of the earth and universe, and that species where not immutable. Many of these people where Christians and were examining the evidence from a creationist perspective, but ultimately they were unable to deny what their senses and reason where telling them-- that a young earth and seven days of creation did not fit the evidence.

Today the young earth creation model is not even a factor. It has been falsified for so long that no one feels a need to disprove it. None of it's predictions worked out. Scientifically it's dead. A few amateur scientists with a YEC viewpoint have tried a bit of creation science, but none of it has gone anywhere.

Does any of this have implications on spiritual matters? I'd say no. Insisting on an interpretation of the bible that contradicts reality is foolish and loses sight of the message being portrayed. It also alienates people that know the science.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Originally posted by seesaw
HUH? lol we don't force evolution to be proven. Or am I reading your post wrong?

HUH? If you think I really believe in a "evolutionist/globalist/athiest/communist/satanic/occult/New Age/Wiccan/Harry Potter/New World Order Conspiracy," you are definitely reading my post wrong...

Originally posted by seesaw
P.S. sorry if this don't make sence I just woke up I was out last night.

Ok, well, that explains it.

 

[YeShallKnowTheTruth]

Before I jump to conclusions, i'd like to have you define 'evolution' for me, gr4p34p3.

You say you accept creationism, and deny evolution. Does that mean you are a young-earther?

On what grounds do reject the numerous dating methods we have acquired and proven to be accurate?


Also, how old are you? I ask not to insult, but to learn what level science classes you have taken. I suspect you are extremely ignorant of the scientific process and how the truths are derived which you deny, although no fault of your own.

I am willing and able to elaborate on how they've figured these things out.

 

[YeShallKnowTheTruth]

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Have you ever considered why the overwhelming majority of this nations highly educated citizens reject the beliefs which the majority hold to be true?

It is noteworthy that the highest percent of theist was among mathematicians, who do not have as much understanding of the science which disproves 'christianity.'

Does ignorance breed religion or is there some other explanation?

 

[seebs]

Science does not disprove religion, but yes, mathematicians are more in touch with the stuff that makes science possible.

 

[YeShallKnowTheTruth]

Seebs,

Science disproves christianity as per the bible. However, the question of the existance of a 'god' is still unanswered.

 

[seebs]

You may believe whatever you wish; I know lots of Bible-believing scientists. You may want to talk to some of these people; at 15, it is dimly possible that you have not yet experienced everything, or that there are things you don't understand.

 

[YeShallKnowTheTruth]

Seebs,

I have consulted many theist in my time, scientist among them. I've been questioning the belief system forced fed to me since the age of five.

I remained open to the possibility that christianity was true until about seven when I began to read science magazines and reports and discovered that the belief system I was handed is demonstratably false.

 

[lithium.]

I remained open to the possibility that christianity was true until about seven when I began to read science magazines and reports and discovered that the belief system I was handed is demonstratably false.

What magazines are you talking about?

Science doesn't try to disprove christianity if it did that scientist would have to disprove all religions. Science doesn't try to disprove god or gods.

But science can disprove stuff like the great flood in the bible. There was only been evidence of a large local flood in the black sea area.

That is as far as science can go. God is supernatural and science doesn't go there.

 

[YeShallKnowTheTruth]

seesaw,

Firstly, 'christianity' can be false and there still be a god.

Secondly, MANY stories from the bible have been proven to be false. How certain cities fell, for example. We find that cities fell many years before the bible claims some hero came and captured it, etc.This debunks the claim that the bible is absolute truth as many claim. If the majority of the things which may be tested and are in the bible turn out false, why should we believe the rest of it that which we can't test?

What magazines?

Oh, geez...that was many years ago. I'd say most of it was in magazines not dedicated to science but still containing some articles about new discoveries. A lot of my reading was done on the internet as well. I've bene using comps for as long as I can remember.

 

[lithium.]

Firstly, 'christianity' can be false and there still be a god.

I know! I never said that there couldn't be a god if christianity was fasle heh but I don't believe in any god.

Secondly, MANY stories from the bible have been proven to be false

Yeah I know but they havn't really been disproven there is just no evidence to back them up.

If the majority of the things which may be tested and are in the bible turn out false, why should we believe the rest of it that which we can't test?

Well christians believe it in faith so it doesn't matter to them if there is evidence saying what they believe is right or wrong. That's why we still have people believing that the world is only like 6000 years old.