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I think some mischaracterization on your part and me not correcting you on my part is to blame for your perception. But see my above post.
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I think some mischaracterization on your part and me not correcting you on my part is to blame for your perception. But see my above post.This does not resolve the problem you suggested before, though (Which is that we will always remain as children in this life, when that is not what the Scriptures teach).
I think some mischaracterization on your part and me not correcting you on my part is to blame for your perception. But see my above post.
So I Humble myself once and am greatest forever? Therefore, be proud for the rest .. such an RPG ... kidding.Jesus saying to be converted here so it is talking about how for a person to get initially right with the Lord. We are to be humble like children when we come to the Lord and thus be converted. Yes, we are to remain humble in our Christian lives, but the Bible does not say we remain as children, but that we mature in our understanding in the things of God, and in our behavior.
That's a fair assessment, but we are to remain child like, because all other examples are way too worldly.I am trying to stay on topic of what you said before. But you seem to be by-passing it. That's okay. You don't have to address it. I am just telling you that the Bible does not teach that we will always remain as children in this life. As sons and daughters... yes. As children.... no.
So I Humble myself once and am greatest forever? Therefore, be proud for the rest .. such an RPG ... kidding.
I disagree with what is being said here, being child like is a distinctive principle of the kingdom of God. It is essential to not imitating the pattern of the world.
We cannot change something that is sinful. If something pushes sinful things, we as Christians should not have any desire of any kind to want to include ourselves in that sinful thing because it is contrary to the good ways of Jesus Christ.
My giftings make it hard for me to believe anyone is actually that mature, but in the child like state of thinking they are adults.You have things backwards. It is the world that acts like children. God's people are to be mature and strong men and women of God. Why do you think the Bible says "man of God" and not "child of God" or "babe of God" in the following parts of Scripture?
"That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." (2 Timothy 3:17).
"But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness. Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, " (1 Timothy 6:11-12).
My giftings make it hard for me to believe anyone is actually that mature, but in the child like state of thinking they are adults.
I think you're sincere. But here's the thing. God called me to a den of sin. Debauchery and excess are its norms. If I talked like you my head would be bare. I wouldn't lead anyone to the Lord. Do you understand?
What it takes to win one is very different for another. God prepares the servant. He hews her and smooths the rough patches and allows her waywardness. He uses it for His glory. You could never minister to the people I'm called to.
There are many levels of calling and anointing. I think its errant to lump everyone in the same batch. If this has been laid on your heart pursue it. But I'm called to a place where you and I are almost nonexistent. Nothing they say or do would cause me to blink. God is good.
God never calls us to be involved in sinful things. God may call us to reach people who are sinful, but we do not continually hang out with them like we would fellow believers who are seeking to follow Jesus Christ and live holy lives.
Sorry, I'm called to fashion. Your method will not work on the wealthy. You are welcome to believe otherwise but I've been dealing with them for years and worked in wealth management.
God ways are not our ways. Jesus was calling sinners to repentance. He was the great physician who who was seeking to heal of their sinful condition.
1 Timothy 6 pretty much condemns any idea of being rich in this life.
We are also not to concern ourselves about what we should wear, either. At least, that is what Jesus said anyways.
I do. I don't believe a Christian should indulge in secular movie or TV watching, secular books, video games, and sports.
Right, and sports offer no real value to serving Jesus Christ. Sports only seek to satisfy one's vain desires of what the world loves. Fame, fortune, physical strength and cunning, etc. Jesus says we are to pick up our cross and deny ourselves. We are told by John to love not the things of this world.
If they post about their favorite guns, and or political news... then.... "yes."
If they seek to lead others to Christ on the forums and or they seek to teach other fellow believers and help inspire them to follow the Lord.... then... "no."
I don't think you understood what I said. If a person plays Dungeons and Dragons, they are sinning because they are playing in a world where magic is accepted and is okay. Yet, God told His people in the Old Testament to kill sorcerers.
Yes, by not partaking in worldly sinful things such as secular movies, secular books, games, etc. The life or road of a Christian is not an easy one; But it is worthwhile because of Jesus.
You are welcome to believe what you wish. But the spirit of wisdom is not in this dialogue. God desires us to impact all echelons of society. Spirits of religion prohibit that. God bless.
The only other objection I have about your understanding about maturity is that it sounds like we need to "level up"These passages do not say.... You who think as a man of God... do this... etc, etc.
No. It doesn't say that.
Oh, and what is impossible for man, nothing is impossible for God.
But we do not see maturity in men of God often or it is almost non-existent because we are living in the last days.
I've met people that follow the basic philosophy you have outlined here, and the result is, they have zero impact for Christ at all.
When you completely and totally isolate yourself in a cocoon of Christian-approved only culture... you make yourself utterly and completely irrelevant to the culture around you.
You said:If you really think about it, if what you said was the ideal for a Christian, then the Amish should be the example to follow. Yet the Amish have zero impact on the culture around them. None whatsoever.
You said:Ironically, my parents church, the church I grew up in, followed everything you have said here, to the letter. No movies, no TV, no nothing. And the result of that was the church died.
The founding members, and their families grew the church.... but when the younger generation had a choice on where to go for church, they all left, including myself.
Why? Because the church wasn't relevant. The church had no impact. The church was completely disconnected from the world around them.
You said:Yes, you can serve some food to the hungry, but when people show up and you have no idea who won the super bowl, or what the Lion King is about..... they leave the church, and they don't follow Christ.
You said:This is exactly what happened at my parents church. Finally the head pastor retired, and a new pastor is there, that doesn't have this mentality, and now the church is growing again, after lost 3/4 of their members.
The only other objection I have about your understanding about maturity is that it sounds like we need to "level up"
Isn't being in intimate contact with God enough?
1Jo 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.Clever. I did not know what the term "level up" meant until you said it, and I Googled it.
Anyways, the Bible says that we can have an assurance in claiming to know God if we keep His commandments (See 1 John 2:3-4). Maturity is a natural process of obeying more of what the Lord wants us to do as a part of His many commands given to us in the New Covenant.
I would say no it isn't a sin in the broad sense. Of the people I know that play D&D, don't actually desire to be what they are playing as in the game. This would be a case by case thing based out of the persons heart. To just broadbrush something as sinful is legalism. It's like saying that all secular music is sinful while all music labeled Christian is gloryfying Father.
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