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It's not the Lords supper that saves, it's faith in Jesus Christ.
Paul said We preach Christ Crucified. That's Gospel central no?So the Lord's supper is considered the gospel in Catholicism?
The Sacrifice that only God could accomplish. An act of Divine Love. Salvation. Compared to a car accident?If a friend asked you to remember him, would you frame a photograph of his bloody body at an accident scene, and stare at it? People (C or P) that are hooked up on that may just be missing everything Jesus lived for.
Then you're at a bit of a loss to explain who led the Church during the first and second centuries.What if i dont believe that Catholics are the successors of the real apostles?
Fair enough, but other catholics were saying that Protestants dont partake of the real Lords supper. Right?
Oh no, my friend. The problem is questioning whether or not a member of CF who identifies as a Christian is actually a Christian violates CF's rules. And goodness knows I'm a stickler for obeying the rules. Law and order every time, that's me.Not false. Catholic Posters have said that to me on more than one occasion.
Is that what you do when your theology doesnt add up?
Obvious to whom? It's not obvious to the 1 billion Catholics in the world today. It's not obvious to the 300'ish million Orthodox in the world today. It wasn't obvious to the early Church.Obviously, the bread was not literally Christ's body.
Why didn't he say that then? He could've told the apostles to regard the bread as a metaphor of His body and then broken the bread. But He didn't say that. He broke the bread and then said that it was His body.Seems plain to me, then, that when Jesus said, "This is my body," he meant the bread was representative of his body that would be sacrificed at Calvary.
The first century was lead by the apostles. I have heard it said that the Catholic church didn't come into the picture until 400 years after Christ.Then you're at a bit of a loss to explain who led the Church during the first and second centuries.
Sounds agreeable.Whether the Lord's supper contains the real body of Christ is not dependent on whether someone believes it to be true.
Ok fair enough, but your lack of an answer is still the answer. You words already say what you believe. BTW, i wasnt looking to get you in trouble. I wouldn't have reported you for answering a question i asked.Oh no, my friend. The problem is questioning whether or not a member of CF who identifies as a Christian is actually a Christian violates CF's rules. And goodness knows I'm a stickler for obeying the rules. Law and order every time, that's me.
When Jesus spoke this, He wasn’t referring to the traditions of taking communion, He was referring to the fact that unless anybody accepts that His body was crucified and His blood was spilled in order that anybody can enter the salvation from sin only through His sacrifice, they have no life in you, for you are condemned to Gods wrathI started this thread as a spin off thread from another thread i have going. As i was discussing the Lords supper, I was told by Catholics that Protestants dont actually partake of the real Lords supper. If this is true then doesnt that mean that protestants are dead, according to John 6:53?
John 6:53 New King James Version (NKJV)
53 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you.
Im sure it wasn't about communion. I cant believe a persons life or soul would hang on communion.When Jesus spoke this, He wasn’t referring to the traditions of taking communion, He was referring to the fact that unless anybody accepts that His body was crucified and His blood was spilled in order that anybody can enter the salvation from sin only through His sacrifice, they have no life in you, for you are condemned to Gods wrath
Who and what?
There is so much division over such things that their meaning is lost.If you refuse to be baptised or refuse to take Lords supper, I'm sure there will be consequences.
So sacraments, as their called, are a salvation issue with you? I see it differently.Sorry to be unclear. I believe Jesus talked both about the Lords supper and about the belief in his sacrifice of flesh and blood. Salvation comes through faith in his sacrifice, and when you have faith you take Lords supper. If you don't have faith you don't take the Lords supper. Like i tried to explain previously. If you aren't a believer you don't take the Lords supper, and then you don't have life either.
If that were so, why is there so much doctrinal overlap between the Catholic Church and the Early Church? My sig contains a quote from St. Irenaeus from circa 189 AD that extols the importance of the bishop of Rome.The first century was lead by the apostles. I have heard it said that the Catholic church didn't come into the picture until 400 years after Christ.
Others would have. And who needs the grief, right?Ok fair enough, but your lack of an answer is still the answer. You words already say what you believe. BTW, i wasnt looking to get you in trouble. I wouldn't have reported you for answering a question i asked.
You say that one can be saved without being baptized... but there will be consequences if one isn't baptized?I believe it's the same with baptism, that you can be saved without baptism, but if you are a Christian you should get baptised if you are not. Both baptism and Lords supper are for Christians, not for other people. Salvation is in Christ, though if you are a Christian you should take Lords supper and get baptised. If you refuse to be baptised or refuse to take Lords supper, I'm sure there will be consequences.
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