Are preaching and prophecy the same or different?

[Crazy Liz]

When the NT speaks of prophecy and the spiritiual gift of prophecy, does this mean preaching?

How are preaching and prophecy related since the NT?

 

[d0c markus]

not the same thing, general reading of the bible shows a clear distinction. But here ya go for the technicalities


Fourth, Christ's Three (3) Spiritual Word Communication Ministry Gifts
Paul discusses prophecy or prophesying, teaching, and exhortation or encouraging. These are Christ's three (3) communication ministry gifts (Rom. 12:6-8). The word used for "prophecy" in the Greek text is "prophetia," which Christ operates in us to "foretell" through His divine foreknowledge. The word used for "preach" in the Greek text is "kerusso," which means to "forthtell" or herald especially of divine truth as the gospel. By the revealed Word given by the Holy Spirit, these are clearly two (2) distinct and different ministries. Prophecy or prophesying as used here is clearly different and not the same as "preaching." The word used for "teaching in the Greek text is "didskalia" which indicates a master or instructor in doctrine, learning, or teaching. The word for exhortation in the Greek text is the word "paraklesis" which means to bring along side – comfort, consolation, exhortation, and intreaty. Paul exhorts those so gifted in these word communication ministry gifts to so use them in behalf of the body.
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Crete/4343/Davis/CM114.htm


does anyone disagree?

 

[d0c markus]

"The gift of prophecy, according to Paul is not Preaching to sinners:

"Prophecy serveth not for them which believe not, (sinners) but for them that believe (1Cor 14:22)."

"But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort (1Co. 14:3)."


Yet women preachers under the disguise of using the gift of prophecy, preach to sinners anyway. Is this not a glaring contradiction? Claiming an ordination by manipulative twist of the word "prophecy," women have not confined themselves to preaching only to women or Church members. Women claim that they have a right to preach because prophecy as they extrapolate from Joel 2:28, to the above text, means to "speak and exhort." Does the Bible backup a woman's right to speak and exhort to a Church by prophecy and call this Preaching? NO! There is not a single case of it in all of your Bible. "

http://jesus-messiah.com/w-preach/wp-nt-5.html

 

[d0c markus]

anyone going to argue different

 

[Crazy Liz]

Looks like this question is a non-starter, Mark.

 

[d0c markus]

that it does. Doesnt look like any disagree that they are different. do you?

 

[Crazy Liz]

that it does. Doesnt look like any disagree that they are different. do you?

Well, according to the poll, 33% think they are the same.

 

[adam332]

Doc Markus,
you said;
"Yet women preachers under the disguise of using the gift of prophecy, preach to sinners anyway. Is this not a glaring contradiction? Claiming an ordination by manipulative twist of the word "prophecy," women have not confined themselves to preaching only to women or Church members. Women claim that they have a right to preach because prophecy as they extrapolate from Joel 2:28, to the above text, means to "speak and exhort." Does the Bible backup a woman's right to speak and exhort to a Church by prophecy and call this Preaching? NO! There is not a single case of it in all of your Bible. ""

So exactly how does a prophetess get the prophecy or anything else that may of been spoken to her by God out if she is not allowed to speak to believers? Are they only allowed to write? And if so where is a single case of that found in our Bibles?

I wonder what Miriam, Deborah, Huldah, Anna, or the 4 virgin prophetesses recorded in Acts 21:9 would say to you, a non-prophet, about this statement?

 

[d0c markus]

dont read into it to much buddy. Its saying that women say preaching is ok because the consider prophecy the same. Its not its seperate. therefroe the article is pointing out the fact that you cannot disguise what you are doing under the guise of prophecy. go read women preachers.

 

[adam332]

Sorry if I misunderstood..in my defense you were using dem big ol' words, like "extrapolate".

My wife is somewhat of an expert on Biblical women and we have such discussions from time to time. The scripture does appear to be lacking and somewhat confusing as to a womens role in ministry...but never the less lack of information doesn't make it so. And a true prophet could pretty much do anything if they were truly inspired...right? Didn't david and his men eat the forbidden holy bread yet they were found blameless because they were holy vessels and of God's will.

anyway...I better shut up because women are definately not my forte'.....[honey I need some help over here!]

 

[d0c markus]

no problem, the big words are not my own. the source is linked in my thread. Its a book, click "1" to goto the beggining of the book.

 

[Hidden in Christ]

I have been doing some research on this very subject lately, using the Bible, the good ole Strong's Concordance and praying for God's leadership in my study.

I have not completed my efforts by any means, but here are some of the conclusions I have been reaching:

There are other definitions for prophesy besides 'foretell', although that is one of them. (I think some people take that one meaning and use it as a basis for telling people's fortunes, etc.) But another definition is "to speak under divine inspiration." I feel like this definition is more applicable to the kind of prophecy mentioned in 1 Corinthians 14.

To the best of my understanding, preaching and prophecy are indeed different. As stated above, to preach is to "proclaim, declare or herald." On a sidenote, I found it interesting that in the N.T., words such as "preach", "preacher", "preaching" etc. were found far more often than "prophecy" and such related words. Correct me if I am wrong, but Paul never claimed to be a prophet, but a preacher.

At any rate, it appears to me that prophecy is a gift of the Spirit for the purpose of edifying believers, as mentioned in 1 Corinthians 12. Apparently there are those upon whom God moves from time to time, who are not preachers, but who speak in the church as God leads.

Now we must note some qualifications for prophesying. It seems to me that, as tongues must have an interpreter in the church, prophecies must have another person to judge, to either confirm or disapprove what the prophet says. I believe the person who should do this is the one to whom God has given the gift of discerning of spirits as listed immediately after prophecy in 1 Cor. 12.

Furthermore, it seems that women are not to participate in in the type of prophesying that requires being before the church in an authoritative position. (see 1 Cor. 14:34.)

Indeed, one cannot deny that the Bible speaks of prophetesses in the O.T. as well as the N.T. There is even a referrence to this made in 1 Cor. 11, where Paul says that a woman praying or prophesying with her head uncovered dishonoreth her head.

I think it is perfectly in order for women to "speak under divine inspiration" in the church. This is sometimes referred to as 'testifying' or giving thanks to God. But anytime she usurps authority in the church or teaches a man, that seems to be unscriptural.

Now outside the church, it seems perfectly in order for prophetesses to speak to other believers as God may lead her. To be honest, I don't even see anything wrong with a male believer seeking advice from a godly woman who has the gift of prophecy

A few last things I would like to emphasize...

I do not believe any believer should look to a prophet or prophetess more than to God. We all have His Holy Spirit within our soul and He is more than able to lead us individually. We also must beware of false prophets.

Another point is that Paul said in 1 Cor. 14: 36-37 that if anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, he should first acknolwledge that the things Paul wrote were the commandments of God. To me, this implies that we should NEVER place prophesying above the Word of God (the Bible), but we should always esteem the Bible as God-inspired and know that He will never say anything that contradicts it.

Blessings to all of you.

 

[pmarquette]

There is a difference between the " Office of A " Preacher
[ explain , exhort , reveal , make relavant ] and one who
preaches . Apostle , Prophet , Preacher , Teacher , Evangalist
all preach and proclaim the Gospel - Ephesians 4.11

And the gift of Preaching and Prophecy ... one who operates
for one service , one season , as the power of God moves
them , that the word might be given to the body .

Preacher ( teacher ) one who oversees the flock , shepherd ;
a " spritual father " for the flock ; one who admonishes ,
exhorts , repfroofs , corrects - 2 Tim 3.16

A Prophet is one God speaks through - 2 Sam 23.2 ; that
corrects errors within the body ( Revelation 2 & 3 , 7 churches );

corrects a Pastor / flock ; speaks a word of encouragement ,
correction ; edifies ; speaks with words of knowledge and
wisdom ;

-- Old Testament : anointed priest , prophet , King ;
preached revival , repentance