Are My Mice From Satan?

[Tree of Life]

Maybe it's a lesson in humility. We have to share the earth with all the creatures here, and we really are not in charge of where they go. I know I hate it when lizards get into our apartment because they invariably die and are too dumb to figure out how to get out. Sometimes we manage to chase them out, but not always.

I think that every experience of creation not being obedient to us can be seen as a lesson in humility. Good call.

 

[JacksBratt]

God might try to break what is weak in me in order to rebuild something stronger.

He has already taught me so much! He has given me a picture of the vigilance required to keep sin out of my life.

I agree, but He won't break you or your spirit.. He may use life to keep you from things that hurt you or keep you from the will He has for your life.

 

[MournfulWatcher]

Isn't the point of the book of Job to show that bad things that happen to us isn't because of God's judgement, and that sometimes our suffering is a mystery?

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

I had a mouse experience teach me a lesson. Lying in bed, listening to the critters run back and forth in the attic, I realized the similarity between that and some bitter notions that I had allowed to take root in my mind. Thoughts unwanted are remarkably similar in that they appear sporadically and unexpectedly, disturb a person, break their concentration and then leave for a brief peace. I think I'm okay, and then an evil thought skitters through my mind. The trouble was that I was doing less to eradicate the thoughts than I was to eradicate the mice. The occasional irritation was not the problem. The bitterness at the root of the issue needed to be done away with. It wasn't the periodic skittering of the mice that was the problem, it was the mice themselves that needed to be killed.

But Satan cannot command anything in creation. He has no control over mice, wind, waves, or anything else.

I don't know...when Jesus crossed the Sea of Galilee and they were hit by that storm (which he calmed), he was on his way to confront an entire legion of demons. I never could rule out the possibility that the demons saw him coming and tried to stop him.

 

[Tayla]

God is not involved at all?

Don't wait for God to set mousetraps for you. Set your own traps. Perhaps God will lead the mice to eat from the traps.

 

[Tree of Life]

Don't wait for God to set mousetraps for you. Set your own traps. Perhaps God will lead the mice to eat from the traps.

Pray that he does! Our traps are all set up. We caught four mice yesterday. I'm praying for a bountiful harvest. I want mice blood to run as high as a horse's bridle for 1,000 stadia.

 

[A71]

Sounds like a Mouse of Horrors

 

[Tree of Life]

I had a mouse experience teach me a lesson. Lying in bed, listening to the critters run back and forth in the attic, I realized the similarity between that and some bitter notions that I had allowed to take root in my mind. Thoughts unwanted are remarkably similar in that they appear sporadically and unexpectedly, disturb a person, break their concentration and then leave for a brief peace. I think I'm okay, and then an evil thought skitters through my mind. The trouble was that I was doing less to eradicate the thoughts than I was to eradicate the mice. The occasional irritation was not the problem. The bitterness at the root of the issue needed to be done away with. It wasn't the periodic skittering of the mice that was the problem, it was the mice themselves that needed to be killed.

This is a valuable insight. The frustration we experience in creation mirrors our own sin issues and the frustration that we must be to God.

 

[DreamerOfTheHeart]

We just found out that we have mice in our house .

My wife and I were discussing the theological significance of this the other night and it got me thinking. I know that Yahweh sent mice in order to harass the Philistines (God's judgment upon them). Which reminds me that Yahweh can do more with an army of mice than any king can do with an army of warriors. But I don't believe that we have mice because God is judging us.

However, God may be disciplining us and weaning us off an inappropriate attachment to this world. Our loving Father might certainly do such a thing.

But then I got to thinking about Satan. Some people, when facing an issue like this, might be inclined to think that this is spiritual warfare and that Satan sent these mice to harass them and goad them toward unbelief and sin.

But is this biblical? Satan, through his lies and schemes, certainly is able to have an influence over people. But Satan cannot command anything in creation. He has no control over mice, wind, waves, or anything else. All of creation is under Yahweh's control. Even when Satan harassed Job he had to get Yahweh's permission.

So do I have mice because God is judging me, because God is disciplining me, or because Satan is harassing me? Or some combination?

Discuss.

Oh, that is good. *big beam*

I find weird little things like that tend to be from weird little thoughts. But, it is also because the world operates systematically and is separate from God, though God sustains it -- remember "creation its' self groans in anticipation of the revealing of the sons and daughters of God".

I view it as two people holding a metal plate and wobbling it. Like communication back and forth.

 

[Christie insb]

We have one. Thinking about getting another.

Maybe your cat brought the mice in to the house. Our cats used to do that, and a friend of ours had a theory. He believed that mice do this to teach us to hunt. So maybe your cat is behind this, not God.

 

[Tayla]

We caught four mice yesterday. I'm praying for a bountiful harvest

I recommend:

1. New traps. (A much higher kill rate than even slightly older traps.)
2. Make them pull the trigger. Cheese jammed in sort of works. I tried hot-gluing crunchy dog food to the trigger and it worked great for a while. But I think something else might have worked better.
3. They love peanut butter but they just lick it off.
4. Poison kills them when they are in your walls where they decompose, and the dogs and cats will eat them and be poisoned too.

 

[Doug Melven]

This is some hogwarsh. God brings bad things into our lives all the time. God sent Joseph to be a slave in Egypt!

God didn't send Joseph to Egypt. His brothers sold him and those people took him to Egypt.
What his brothers meant for evil, God meant for good.
Do a indepth study of James 1 and you will see how God does not bring trials, but He does use them in our lives to make us grow and be better Christians.

 

[Tayla]

We caught four mice yesterday. I'm praying for a bountiful harvest.

One more suggestion: Sometimes they get trapped but drag away the trap and you can't find it or the decaying mouse. Drill a small hole in one corner and attach it to something with a wire; I use speaker wire.

 

[Tree of Life]

God didn't send Joseph to Egypt. His brothers sold him and those people took him to Egypt.
What his brothers meant for evil, God meant for good.
Do a indepth study of James 1 and you will see how God does not bring trials, but He does use them in our lives to make us grow and be better Christians.

7 And God sent me before you to preserve for you a remnant on earth, and to keep alive for you many survivors. 8 So it was not you who sent me here, but God. He has made me a father to Pharaoh, and lord of all his house and ruler over all the land of Egypt.

The Holy Bible: English Standard Version. (2016). (Ge 45:7–8). Wheaton, IL: Crossway Bibles.

16 When he summoned a famine on the land
and broke all supply of bread,
17 he had sent a man ahead of them,
Joseph, who was sold as a slave.

The Holy Bible: English Standard Version. (2016). (Ps 105:16–17). Wheaton, IL: Crossway Bibles.

 

[Celticroots]

Hi.

I think it's too easy to spiritualise everything. Sometimes things just happen, it doesn't have to mean God is judging you (isn't that Jesus point in Luke 13:1-6?). Of course, God can use these things to deepen our faith - and yes, he does discipline us, but to suggest that every thing that happens is God or Satan is, to me, taking it too far.

You said it's cold, so to me a better interpretation would simply be that the mice are looking for somewhere warm with food.

And spiritualizing every little thing makes Christians look stupid. Joseph being sold into slavery wasn’t something bad God did. It was something normal that happened during that period.

Come to think of it I must have made God angry because I was hospitalized for a week in August for pnuemonis that went septic. Guess He thought it would “teach me a lesson.” Please.

Come winter animals naturally take shelter in places that are warm and with a good food supply, and they thought your house fit the bill.

God has nothing to do with it.

 

[Tree of Life]

And spiritualizing every little thing makes Christians look stupid. Joseph being sold into slavery wasn’t something bad God did. It was something normal that happened during that period.

Come to think of it I must have made God angry because I was hospitalized for a week in August for pnuemonis that went septic. Guess He thought it would “teach me a lesson.” Please.

Come winter animals naturally take shelter in places that are warm and with a good food supply, and they thought your house fit the bill.

God has nothing to do with it.

Sounds like a dramatic departure from belief in the God of the Bible.

 

[Celticroots]

No offense but this sounds like well-meaning nonsense.

You should read Nadia Bolz Weber's book Pastrix if you have never done so. She talks about some real horrors she has encountered, and how nothing makes sense in those circumstances. Like having to pastorally minister in a hospital to two kids whose mom has just been killed in a car accident, leaving them orphans. Rationalistic theologies aren't going to be much comfort in those cases.

And often make the person feel worse. When something horrible happens to someone, most people would not want to hear a sermon, get a lecture, or some sort of judgmental attitude. Most would want someone to just listen.

And not judge them for feeling and expressing normal emotions, including anger, which may manifest itself as anger at God.

 

[Doug Melven]

7 And God sent me before you to preserve for you a remnant on earth, and to keep alive for you many survivors. 8 So it was not you who sent me here, but God. He has made me a father to Pharaoh, and lord of all his house and ruler over all the land of Egypt.

The Holy Bible: English Standard Version. (2016). (Ge 45:7–8). Wheaton, IL: Crossway Bibles.

16 When he summoned a famine on the land
and broke all supply of bread,
17 he had sent a man ahead of them,
Joseph, who was sold as a slave.

The Holy Bible: English Standard Version. (2016). (Ps 105:16–17). Wheaton, IL: Crossway Bibles.

Then later in Genesis 50.
18 And his brethren also went and fell down before his face; and they said, Behold, we be thy servants.
19 And Joseph said unto them, Fear not: for am I in the place of God?
20 But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive.

As I said before, God doesn't bring tragedy, He does use it though.
You should also think about this.
You say God bringing tragedy into our lives is a good thing. So if earthly parents want to train there child in a godly way, shouldn't they bring tragedy into there children's lives.
Perhaps while the child is not expecting it come up behind them and break there arm and tell the child this is for there good.
They have places for parents that would do something like that.

 

[Celticroots]

Sounds like a dramatic departure from belief in the God of the Bible.

No. I just take a more rational approach. I don’t believe every sniffle or sore throat is from Satan or God trying to judge/test me. Things happen. It’s life.

 

[Tree of Life]

Then later in Genesis 50.
18 And his brethren also went and fell down before his face; and they said, Behold, we be thy servants.
19 And Joseph said unto them, Fear not: for am I in the place of God?
20 But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive.

This aligns perfectly with what Joseph said previously and what the Psalmist says. God was very involved in the sinful actions of Joseph brothers. So much involved that Joseph can say that God sent him to Egypt and that God meant for him to go to Egypt.

As I said before, God doesn't bring tragedy, He does use it though.

This is simply your opinion. It does not align with what the Bible says about God.

You should also think about this.
You say God bringing tragedy into our lives is a good thing. So if earthly parents want to train there child in a godly way, shouldn't they bring tragedy into there children's lives.

Parents may bring difficult things into their children's lives if it is necessary for a greater end. Like chores, homework, discipline, surgery to remove cancer, etc... They have no right to bring gratuitous harm into their children's lives.

Perhaps while the child is not expecting it come up behind them and break there arm and tell the child this is for there good.
They have places for parents that would do something like that.

I don't see how this conclusion could possibly be derived from the idea that God brings tragedy into the lives of his children. He often does this, as is evidenced in Scripture, because it is necessary in order to bring about greater purposes.