Are Modalists (Oneness Pentecostals) saved?

WisdomTree · Oct 31, 2013

Rev Randy said:
The first you can and must correct and the latter you are not capable of correcting. It's like the difference between I don't understand and I cannot learn.

Alright, top of the class Father Randy!

By Faith Alone · Oct 31, 2013

But a teaching needs to be steadfast.

For consistency's sake? or not having ever changed doctrinal positions over the course of many years proving one has not learned a thing?

Gregory Thompson · Oct 31, 2013

Rev Randy said:
Can't answer that right now. I'm busy trying to shove my camel through the eye if this needle. Darn camel is as stubborn as a mule.

oh is it the new model?

after scanning through the new responses i'm reminded that Pentecostalism's initial revival was an obvious break from the adventist age style awakenings . where before there would be a marked social change . and the new ones were more of an emotional change . this form of revival has kinda spread across christianity but i'm not sure if it has become stronger because of it . myself speaking coming from mostly that kind of tradition .

Rev Randy · Oct 31, 2013

WisdomTree said:
Alright, top of the class Father Randy!

Fr. George. Randy is a nickname.
Raymond J. Johnson Jr. - YouTube

Rev Randy · Oct 31, 2013

By Faith Alone said:
For consistency's sake? or not having ever changed doctrinal positions over the course of many years proving one has not learned a thing?

For the sake of keeping the unvarnished truth.

Optimax · Oct 31, 2013

Rev Randy said:
For the sake of keeping the unvarnished truth.

Perhaps that is the vanished truth.

Rev Randy · Oct 31, 2013

Optimax said:
Perhaps that is the vanished truth.

That is what it has become in many modern Churches.

WisdomTree · Oct 31, 2013

Rev Randy said:
Fr. George. Randy is a nickname.
Raymond J. Johnson Jr. - YouTube

Meh, same diff.

Gregory Thompson · Nov 1, 2013

if the truth were anywhere in great consistency it would set everyone free

By Faith Alone · Nov 1, 2013

Rev Randy said:
For the sake of keeping the unvarnished truth.

Just as long as we realize the...Truth...will bring to light what is..our...truth and turn THAT darkness into light. That very light reveals His purpose for the ages.

Learning is a process that never ends. If we come to the point in our lives that we have..all...the doctrinal truth then we are sadly in the wilderness. Holding steadfast to doctrines of men is no less than darkness.

The very first mention of light in the Scriptures is that very Truth of which I speak. Like a lantern this light is carried throughout the Holy Writ to guide our paths.

Ps 119:105 Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

Follow it. No different than the pillar of fire and smoke in the wilderness.

Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

2 Cor 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying,... I... am the light of the world.... he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

Rev 21:22-24
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and ...the Lamb is the light thereof....
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour

Rev Randy · Nov 1, 2013

Michael Collum said:
if the truth were anywhere in great consistency it would set everyone free

It is and it is freeing many. Some are simply not interested as it isn't all about them.

Gregory Thompson · Nov 4, 2013

Rev Randy said:
It is and it is freeing many. Some are simply not interested as it isn't all about them.

it is freeing many which means .. it is sort of true .

but when truth very truth manifests . it doesn't matter what you prefer . it just is . and it sets everyone free

sunlover1 · Nov 5, 2013

yogosans14 said:
I ask this because I see some sincere believers like bishop TD jakes who has a great love for God. Although he believes the Trinity doctrine now, he used to believe in the doctrine that God isnt 3 separate persons but one Person who manifests himself in 3 different ways.

Would they still be saved even though they misinterpret the God Head?

"Saved by grace through faith"
Do I believe folks can misunderstand the God/Jesus/Spirit's
relationship and still be a Christian?
I sure do.

Now when John, while imprisoned, heard of the works of Christ,
he sent word by his disciples 3and said to Him,
"Are You the Expected One, or shall we look for someone else?"
4Jesus answered and said to them, "Go and report to John what
you hear and see:

I bet none of us really understands it completely,
but it's by grace through faith.

sunlover1 · Nov 5, 2013

Michael Collum said:
if the truth were anywhere in great consistency it would set everyone free

He gave you truth.

So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him,
"If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine;
32and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."

There it is.

The realist · Nov 5, 2013

sunlover1 said:
"Saved by grace through faith"
Do I believe folks can misunderstand the God/Jesus/Spirit's
relationship and still be a Christian?
I sure do.

Now when John, while imprisoned, heard of the works of Christ,
he sent word by his disciples 3and said to Him,
"Are You the Expected One, or shall we look for someone else?"
4Jesus answered and said to them, "Go and report to John what
you hear and see:

I bet none of us really understands it completely,
but it's by grace through faith.

Well said!

JLMoorekcmo · Nov 5, 2013

Loved the way you presented that. I went to a Oneness church briefly when my ex and I were looking for a new church. We stopped going when I brought up their rules & prohibitions for members.

Gregory Thompson · Nov 6, 2013

sunlover1 said:
He gave you truth.

So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him,
"If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine;
32and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."

There it is.

I recall if you look back at the first chapter of the same gospel it also says that Jesus is the word . and further ahead that Jesus is the way . the truth and the life . none come unto the father but by him .. not none come unto the father but through the bible

Rev Randy · Nov 6, 2013

Michael Collum said:
I recall if you look back at the first chapter of the same gospel it also says that Jesus is the word . and further ahead that Jesus is the way . the truth and the life . none come unto the father but by him .. not none come unto the father but through the bible

Good catch.

By Faith Alone · Nov 6, 2013

It is the Lord's decision who is saved. The ones that never have heard of Him still are considered due to the condition of the heart. Even though they have never heard of Him they are approved/disapproved of Him by their condition.

I still maintain:

Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

sunlover1 · Nov 7, 2013

sunlover1 said:
He gave you truth.

So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him,
"If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine;
32and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."

There it is.

Michael Collum said:
I recall if you look back at the first chapter of the same gospel it also says that Jesus is the word . and further ahead that Jesus is the way . the truth and the life . none come unto the father but by him .. not none come unto the father but through the bible

Are you really arguing with a Bible verse?

Rev Randy said:
Good catch.

Good 'catch'?
It's Scripture only lol
No commentary.

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