Are Modalists (Oneness Pentecostals) saved?

[yogosans14]

I ask this because I see some sincere believers like bishop TD jakes who has a great love for God. Although he believes the Trinity doctrine now, he used to believe in the doctrine that God isnt 3 separate persons but one Person who manifests himself in 3 different ways.

Would they still be saved even though they misinterpret the God Head?

 

[ptomwebster]

I ask this because I see some sincere believers like bishop TD jakes who has a great love for God. Although he believes the Trinity doctrine now, he used to believe in the doctrine that God isnt 3 separate persons but one Person who manifests himself in 3 different ways.

Would they still be saved even though they misinterpret the God Head?

Why do you need to figure that out, isn't God still the judge? Or are you just trying to start an argument?

 

[Optimax]

There being saved is dependent on the same thing that every body's is.

Are they born again?

Only the born again are saved.

 

[rockytopva]

Oneness Pentecostals feel that those who do not speak in tongues are not saved. So they do not accept 99.995% of Christians as ligit. I knew a guy at work who was oneness Pentecostals and was not a warm and loving guy. He ended up back sliding after his fanatical wife left him and was actually a better guy as a sinner than as a Oneness Pentecostal. I cannot say they are not saved, but everyone of them I met are very mean people. Especially to their young people.

I am Wesleyan Pentecostal. I believe that , like William Seymour, one must tarry and wait on the Lord for more of him. Here is the doctrine as I believe it in metaphor to the Hebrew Temple.

1. Justification - We are justified through faith - The Outer Gates
2. Salvation - A simple profession of faith in Jesus or sacrifice is all that is needed for salvation. The Alter
3. Outer Sanctification - Conforming oneself to a righteous believers standard. - The Laver
*****Inner Temple - Jesus is the door! Inner sanctification******
4. The Word - Growing daily in the word of God - The Table of Shewbread
5. The Spiritual Light - Paul called these the fruits of the Spirit - The Candlestick
6. Prayer and Praise - Alter of Golden Incense
****The Vail of the Inner Temple
7. The Baptism in the Holy Spirit - The anointing!

In which William Seymour, the architect of this doctrine warns....

“Whenever the doctrine of the baptism in the Holy Ghost will only be known as the evidence of speaking in tongues, that work will be an open door for witches and spiritualist and free loveism. That work will suffer because all kinds of spirits can come in.” - William Seymour


Here is the image I copied and enhanced from Seymour's book...

And a video on the subject

Paradise Regained... w/ Darlene Zschech, Joel Osteen, and Cindy Cruze Ratcliff - YouTube

 

[ViaCrucis]

I ask this because I see some sincere believers like bishop TD jakes who has a great love for God. Although he believes the Trinity doctrine now, he used to believe in the doctrine that God isnt 3 separate persons but one Person who manifests himself in 3 different ways.

Would they still be saved even though they misinterpret the God Head?

If it's a matter of God's grace, then we're hardly able to be the ones to make that sort of judgment.

But I don't know of anything in Scripture that suggests that getting all of our theology right is a requirement for salvation.

Oneness Pentecostals/Modalists are in the same category as other heretics--Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc. Is there salvation for the heretic? I believe there is grace and hope for them, yes.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Lion King]

I ask this because I see some sincere believers like bishop TD jakes who has a great love for God. Although he believes the Trinity doctrine now, he used to believe in the doctrine that God isnt 3 separate persons but one Person who manifests himself in 3 different ways.

Would they still be saved even though they misinterpret the God Head?

In my humble opinion, I would say yes, provided they are walking in love. God does say He will show mercy to the merciful, after all.

Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy. Matthew 5:7

 

[By Faith Alone]

I once heard it preached, in person, the pope and catholics are going to hell. I said nothing. Knowing what I know now?...'ole loudmouth here will take a stand right then and there against such uninformed attacks. The same attitude should be exhibited by believers in this forum when one even hints at judging one's standing IN CHRIST

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

There being saved is dependent on the same thing that every body's is.

Are they born again?

Only the born again are saved.

Which begs the question:

http://www.christianforums.com/t2971939-4/
What does it mean to be born again?

Originally Posted by thornygrace

It is my opinion that this phrase "born again" to be the renewing of my mind and spirit in the process of change that occurs as I seek to follow Christ. I change as a person and become a new person. This to me is a lifetime process.
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[By Faith Alone]

There being saved is dependent on the same thing that every body's is.

Are they born again?

Only the born again are saved.

What about those that never have heard of Christ?


As to..."MODALISM"?

I AM THAT I AM!!

I will be whatever I become.

 

[HisSparkPlug]

Oneness Pentecostals feel that those who do not speak in tongues are not saved. So they do not accept 99.995% of Christians as ligit. I knew a guy at work who was oneness Pentecostals and was not a warm and loving guy. He ended up back sliding after his fanatical wife left him and was actually a better guy as a sinner than as a Oneness Pentecostal. I cannot say they are not saved, but everyone of them I met are very mean people. Especially to their young people.

I am Wesleyan Pentecostal. I believe that , like William Seymour, one must tarry and wait on the Lord for more of him.

oh wow, I didn't know this about the oneness Pentacostals.. do they all believe this?

 

[Knee V]

I cannot speak to any particular person or group being "saved", as if I know what God does or does not do with His own mercy. However, the God that Christ revealed to us is the Trinity. Any other God is a different God and a different Christ. So whatever they are, and however God works His grace with them, they are certainly not Christians, any more than Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormons are.

 

[ImaginaryDay]

Oneness Pentecostals feel that those who do not speak in tongues are not saved. So they do not accept 99.995% of Christians as ligit. I knew a guy at work who was oneness Pentecostals and was not a warm and loving guy. He ended up back sliding after his fanatical wife left him and was actually a better guy as a sinner than as a Oneness Pentecostal. I cannot say they are not saved, but everyone of them I met are very mean people. Especially to their young people.

Sorry this was your experience. If it wasn't for the Oneness Pentecostals I wouldn't be here. Although I no longer am with them, I found many to be most open and inviting (doctrine aside). I have no doubt many are "saved", although the Christian world would be much better served without the false doctrine.

 

[ImaginaryDay]

Oneness Pentecostals feel that those who do not speak in tongues are not saved. So they do not accept 99.995% of Christians as ligit. I knew a guy at work who was oneness Pentecostals and was not a warm and loving guy. He ended up back sliding after his fanatical wife left him and was actually a better guy as a sinner than as a Oneness Pentecostal. I cannot say they are not saved, but everyone of them I met are very mean people. Especially to their young people.

I am Wesleyan Pentecostal. I believe that , like William Seymour, one must tarry and wait on the Lord for more of him.

oh wow, I didn't know this about the oneness Pentacostals.. do they all believe this?

In reference to the bolded (in rocky's post) that's a bit off as far as what they believe. Oneness Pentecostals will tell you that the baptism of the Holy Spirit is necessary for salvation and that the initial evidence of this is speaking in tongues. So it's not the tongues itself that is part of the salvation plan (in their view) it's the Holy Spirit baptism, along with repentance and being baptised (immersed) "in Jesus Name" as opposed to a Trinitarian formula.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I ask this because I see some sincere believers like bishop TD jakes who has a great love for God. Although he believes the Trinity doctrine now, he used to believe in the doctrine that God isnt 3 separate persons but one Person who manifests himself in 3 different ways.

Would they still be saved even though they misinterpret the God Head?

Who is saved and who is not saved is for God to decide but it is for Christians to preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience while teaching. For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but according what they are itching to hear they will gather for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. (2 Timothy 4:2-4)

 

[Lion King]

I cannot speak to any particular person or group being "saved", as if I know what God does or does not do with His own mercy. However, the God that Christ revealed to us is the Trinity. Any other God is a different God and a different Christ. So whatever they are, and however God works His grace with them, they are certainly not Christians, any more than Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormons are.

Interesting, especially coming from a person who belongs to a church which preaches this:

"The Eastern Orthodox church teaches that heaven and hell are being in God's presence which is being with God and seeing God, and that there no such place as where God is not, nor is hell taught in the East as separation from God. hell and heaven are being in God's presence, as this presence is punishment and paradise depending on the person's spiritual state in that presence. For one who hates God, to be in the presence of God eternally would be the gravest suffering." [Wikipedia]

 

[Knee V]

Interesting, especially coming from a person who belongs to a church which preaches this:

"The Eastern Orthodox church teaches that heaven and hell are being in God's presence which is being with God and seeing God, and that there no such place as where God is not, nor is hell taught in the East as separation from God. hell and heaven are being in God's presence, as this presence is punishment and paradise depending on the person's spiritual state in that presence. For one who hates God, to be in the presence of God eternally would be the gravest suffering." [Wikipedia]

Accurate or not, what does that have to do with this?

 

[Lion King]

Accurate or not, what does that have to do with this?

If other churches are not Christian based on the unbiblical doctrines they hold, what does that make your church who erroneously teach that both the righteous and wicked will be in God's love in the end?

For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Matthew 7:2

 

[rockytopva]

Sorry this was your experience. If it wasn't for the Oneness Pentecostals I wouldn't be here. Although I no longer am with them, I found many to be most open and inviting (doctrine aside). I have no doubt many are "saved", although the Christian world would be much better served without the false doctrine.

If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that...


mass (m) = Energy (E/c2) and there are three varieties...


Intelligence - Our mind can produce an energy and a light
Mass- Basically cooled plasma (E/c2)
Spirituality - E (motivation, warmth, love, goodness) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)


And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. - 2 Corinthians 11:14

The problem with satanic light is that it is accompanied with arrogance and ego. There is also the wrong energy, so there is no warmth, love, or goodness. The oneness Pentecostals I have met are cold people spiritually... No human warmth! In which I have no use for religion of that nature.

 

[Knee V]

If other churches are not Christian based on the unbiblical doctrines they hold, what does that make your church who erroneously teach that both the righteous and wicked will be in God's love in the end?

For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Matthew 7:2

Someone is not a Christian when their Christ is another Christ, as it is with the Modalists.

As to the rest, I still fail to see the relevance or what you're trying to get at.

 

[Standing Up]

Do they believe Christ came (was born) in the flesh, born of water and blood?