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ARE GOD'S 10 COMMANDMENTS ABOLISHED?

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The law showed me my sin. The Spirit freed me from my sin, by giving me a new nature that doesn't want to sin. Huge difference.

You are teaching that we still have the old nature so need the law.

While every single Christian has some elements of the "old nature" still in us (which the Holy Spirit is constantly reproving) until the day we die, we have the freedom to reject that old nature at every turn. We are NOT "slaves to sin"--as unbelievers are. Those who have the permanent indwelling of the Holy Spirit (without which, you cannot even consider yourself a Christian--see Romans 8:9) AUTOMATICALLY KNOW when they are being tempted and are approaching sin. While they have the freedom that can bring (to not sin), if they do sin, they also have the responsibility to repent of it immediately and move forward in fellowship with Christ (see 1 John 2: 1-2).
 
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Paul teaches God's people keep the Sabbath Hebrews 4.

No mention of keeping the Dabbath by Paul.

Where in the New Testament does Jesus and His Apostles give us specific instruction about how the Church is to observe the Sabbath today?



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While every single Christian has some elements of the "old nature" still in us (which the Holy Spirit is constantly reproving) until the day we die, we have the freedom to reject that old nature at every turn. We are NOT "slaves to sin"--as unbelievers are. Those who have the permanent indwelling of the Holy Spirit (without which, you cannot even consider yourself a Christian--see Romans 8:9) AUTOMATICALLY KNOW when they are being tempted and are approaching sin. While they have the freedom that can bring (to not sin), if they do sin, they also have the responsibility to repent of it immediately and move forward in fellowship with Christ (see 1 John 2: 1-2).

In fact, the unbelieving world will face their guilt for breaking God's Commandments at the Final Jugment. If they are granted clemency (which they could be--it is unlikely to be a "kangaroo court" as some Christians seem to teach) it will undoubtedly be that they tried to honestly keep to the spirit of God's Law even though they were never taught it. (See Romans 2:13-16)
 
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Well, there is a standard that has gone back to even the days of Adam and Eve. Murder is one that was known early on as being wrong. Even Cain and Able understood what was considered honoring to the Lord in terms of sacrifices. The basic principles espoused in the 10 commandments has been around since the very beginning.

But the "10 commandments" as a set were part of the Sinai covenant. They still remain part of the Sinai covenant. But that is only one of many covenants God made. The Adamic covenant, Noahic covenant, Abrahamic covenant, the Davidic covenant all are covenants that are still in full effect and not part of the Sinai covenant. And according to Jeremiah, it is the Sinai covenant is the one that is superseded by the New covenant. But the underlying principles remain just as they were before the Sinai covenant was given.

The basic principles of the 10 commandments revolve around our relationship to God and to others. That is what Yeshua was claiming when He answered the religious leaders of that day that the greatest commandment was Love the Lord your God and the next greatest commandment was Love others as you love yourself. The entire law is summed up in those two commandments.

What seems to be at issue with most folks regarding observing commandments is some sort of legalistic observance of them. It is the same old story, like every other earthy religion, of folks trying to make themselves worthy of God's favor by what they do or don't do instead of relying on His righteousness to make them worthy and adhering to the instruction of Yeshua in how we look at and deal with God and others.

Besides, two commandments that Yeshua gave regarding the law are tough enough. Why anyone would be stupid enough to want to stack on even more seems insane. But if that is the burden one wants to put on their back, then who am I to stop them.
 
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Amen. Well said.


Could you share some scriptures with me where Jesus or His apostles give us instructions on how the Church is to keep or observe the Sabbath under the New Covenant?

I believe God made the Sabbath for man
To rest.


JLB

Jesus taught how to keep the Sabbath through his interactions with the Pharisees on the topic, such as with Matthew 12:1-13

At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry, and they began to pluck heads of grain and to eat. 2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said to him, “Look, your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath.” 3 He said to them, “Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, and those who were with him: 4 how he entered the house of God and ate the bread of the Presence, which it was not lawful for him to eat nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests? 5 Or have you not read in the Law how on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath and are guiltless? 6 I tell you, something greater than the temple is here. 7 And if you had known what this means, ‘I desire mercy, and not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the guiltless. 8 For the Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath.” A Man with a Withered Hand 9 He went on from there and entered their synagogue. 10 And a man was there with a withered hand. And they asked him, “Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?”—so that they might accuse him. 11 He said to them, “Which one of you who has a sheep, if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not take hold of it and lift it out? 12 Of how much more value is a man than a sheep! So it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.” 13 Then he said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” And the man stretched it out, and it was restored, healthy like the other. 14 But the Pharisees went out and conspired against him, how to destroy him.
 
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LoveGodsWord said:
So v24 says that the LAW was our TEACHER, TUTOR, SCHOOLMASTER to bring us unto Christ that we might be justified by FAITH.
I must insist that you respect context. You repeatedly argue that Galatians 3:24 describes the dynamics of how an individual comes to faith. That is simply not possible, given the context. One more time - with relevant bits highlighted:


13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a [v]tree”— 14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might [w]come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.15Brethren, I speak [x]in terms of human relations: even though it is only a man’s [y]covenant, yet when it has been ratified, no one sets it aside or adds [z]conditions to it. 16 Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as referring to many, but rather to one, “And to your seed,” that is, Christ. 17 What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise. 18 For if the inheritance is [aa]based on law, it is no longer [ab]based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise.

19 Why the Law then? It was added [ac]because of transgressions, having been ordained through angels by the [ad]agency of a mediator, until the seed would come to whom the promise had been made. 20 Now a mediator is not [ae]for one party only; whereas God is only one. 21 Is the Law then contrary to the promises of God? May it never be! For if a law had been given which was able to impart life, then righteousness [af]would indeed have been [ag]based on law. 22 But the Scripture has shut up [ah]everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

23 But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. 24 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith


Paul is clearly making an argument about the evolving plan of redemption over the centuries - he is not talking about an individual's experience - how can this possibly be denied?:

V13: A reference to the promise that God's redemption of the Gentiles would be via Abraham - history, not personal experience.
V17: A reference to the giving of the Law - history, not personal experience.
V18 Reference to Abraham - history, not personal experience.
V19 Another reference to the giving of the Law - history, not personal experience.

Please - this particular battle (Galatians 3:24) is one you cannot win. You only hurt whatever force the rest of your arguments may have when you insist that 3:24 is a description of the dynamics of getting to faith in Christ for the believer. The context obliterates that possibility.
 
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Jesus taught how to keep the Sabbath through his interactions with the Pharisees on the topic, such as with Matthew 12:1-13

At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry, and they began to pluck heads of grain and to eat. 2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said to him, “Look, your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath.” 3 He said to them, “Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, and those who were with him: 4 how he entered the house of God and ate the bread of the Presence, which it was not lawful for him to eat nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests? 5 Or have you not read in the Law how on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath and are guiltless? 6 I tell you, something greater than the temple is here. 7 And if you had known what this means, ‘I desire mercy, and not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the guiltless. 8 For the Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath.” A Man with a Withered Hand 9 He went on from there and entered their synagogue. 10 And a man was there with a withered hand. And they asked him, “Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?”—so that they might accuse him. 11 He said to them, “Which one of you who has a sheep, if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not take hold of it and lift it out? 12 Of how much more value is a man than a sheep! So it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.” 13 Then he said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” And the man stretched it out, and it was restored, healthy like the other. 14 But the Pharisees went out and conspired against him, how to destroy him.
Hello Soyeong.

Were the disciples breaking the Sabbath or not?
 
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Hello Soyeong.

Were the disciples breaking the Sabbath or not?
It sounds like...keeping the Sabbath is keeping the Spirit behind what is Done...according to the scriptures she or he left on Matthew...That may be partly how to interpret the meaning of God requires mercy and not sacrifice. The Law leads to the Spirit....and if you kept the Spirit of the Law which is love...they would judge righteously
 
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It sounds like...keeping the Sabbath is keeping the Spirit behind what is Done...according to the scriptures she or he left on Matthew...That may be partly how to interpret the meaning of God requires mercy and not sacrifice. The Law leads to the Spirit....and if you kept the Spirit of the Law which is love...they would judge righteously
Correct, but Soyeong needs to realize that the disciples were indeed breaking the Sabbath.
 
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This is a slightly complicated issue. No, God's Law (the Commandments) is NOT abolished. It is very much in force for mankind--in general. However, those who truly follow Christ have His Holy Spirit within them to "help" them to avoid the breaking of the Law and, instead, EXCEED the requirements of the Law. None of the Ten Commandments require us to love and/or pray for those who have set themselves as our enemies--yet, Jesus told His followers to do so.

Time and again, worldly minds are boggled when a Christian forgives those who are guilty of crimes against him/her or a member of his/her family. It is something very special, and the worldly simply cannot understand it. To the world, it marks Christians as "weak chumps" when, it is, in fact, the greatest strength that any human can display. It is when a human being is most like his/her Lord Jesus. That is why the true Church--the Bride of Christ, is at the very center of Christ's passionate, enduring love.

The unbelieving world is STILL responsible for the keeping of the requirements of the Ten Commandments and, in fact, those Laws will be the basis of their condemnation at the Final Judgment (the Great White Throne Judgment). If they are granted clemency, it will likely be because they honestly tried to meet those obligations and that they attempted to love others in a selfless way. They will not be part of the Church but they will "escape though as through fire" the judgment of the damned.

Hello LadyCrosstalk, great to meet you and welcome to the thread here.

A very well written post from someone who studies God's word for themselves. Thanks for sharing your thoughts here they were a pleasure to read.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word. :wave:
 
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Well, there is a standard that has gone back to even the days of Adam and Eve. Murder is one that was known early on as being wrong. Even Cain and Able understood what was considered honoring to the Lord in terms of sacrifices. The basic principles espoused in the 10 commandments has been around since the very beginning.

But the "10 commandments" as a set were part of the Sinai covenant. They still remain part of the Sinai covenant. But that is only one of many covenants God made. The Adamic covenant, Noahic covenant, Abrahamic covenant, the Davidic covenant all are covenants that are still in full effect and not part of the Sinai covenant. And according to Jeremiah, it is the Sinai covenant is the one that is superseded by the New covenant. But the underlying principles remain just as they were before the Sinai covenant was given.

The basic principles of the 10 commandments revolve around our relationship to God and to others. That is what Yeshua was claiming when He answered the religious leaders of that day that the greatest commandment was Love the Lord your God and the next greatest commandment was Love others as you love yourself. The entire law is summed up in those two commandments.

What seems to be at issue with most folks regarding observing commandments is some sort of legalistic observance of them. It is the same old story, like every other earthy religion, of folks trying to make themselves worthy of God's favor by what they do or don't do instead of relying on His righteousness to make them worthy and adhering to the instruction of Yeshua in how we look at and deal with God and others.

Besides, two commandments that Yeshua gave regarding the law are tough enough. Why anyone would be stupid enough to want to stack on even more seems insane. But if that is the burden one wants to put on their back, then who am I to stop them.

Hello Copperhead, so nice to meet you here welcome to the thread and thanks for your thoughts.

This is the key message here I believe. It is not that we are made rightouess by God's LAW through trying to keep God's LAW. All the 10 Commandments do is give us a knowledge of SIN if broken and RIGHTEOUSNESS if obeyed (Romans 3:20; Psalms 119:172).

In the NEW COVENANT it is only by LOVE that we can walk as Jesus walked because this is the promise we are under for salvation is a NEW HEART to LOVE where God's LAWS are written and why we as sinners need to be born again by faith in God's WORD.

LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW under the NEW COVENANT in the hearts of those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD (Hebrews 8:10-12; Romans 13:8-10; Matthew 22:36-40).

Thanks for sharing your thoughts here

May God bless you as you seek him through his WORD :wave:
 
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You are exceedingly patronizing - this sort of over the top condescension is, of course, wildly inappropriate. Do you think you are talking to a child?

The whole point of my post was the "but now" in verse 21. One of the pillars of your whole position appears to be that we need the Law to tell us what sin is. Well, that may well have been the case, at least for the Jews (who were the only ones under the Law, although you appear to deny this).

However, Paul introduces the phrase "but now", suggested that something has changed. As per post: when someone writes in the following format:

X, but now Y


...the "but now" is a clear signal that X is now "out of date".

Hello brother expos4ever nice to see you again,

The purpose of the earlier post and all the scriptures presented in post # 199 linked was to go through all the within scripture and chapter context and other supporting scriptures to show the meaning of Romans 3:19-20 that did not support your view of what it means to be "UNDER THE LAW".

This was what I meant to go through verse by verse slowly. My intentions was not to come across as you say to speak to you as a little child. Please forgive me if this post was not to you liking altough it is mainly all God's WORD and only sent to be a blessing.

As shown in post # 199 linked, the "but now" does not change the within scripture meaning and chapter context of v19-20 which is the concluding point of what Paul was discussing earlier in v9-18 which is both JEWS and GENTILES are all under sin and stand guilty before God v19 with God's LAW giving a knowledge of what sin is v20.

Hope this helps and hope you can take this to God in prayer as a blessing to you.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word. :wave:
 
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Please don't expect him to be honest about the things he post's.

He doesn't even believe them himself. JLB

Now JBL there is no truth in your post at all. I have tried in the past to share God's WORD with you but you never respond to any of my posts or do you attempt to address the scriptures in these posts that disagree with your teachings, yet you expect me to answer all your posts which out of courtesy I have normally done in the past.

Now you know in all honesty that I have already done this and you have simply ignored everything I have posted to you and make to attempt to reply to my posts. So there is not really any point discussing anything further. We may have to agree to disagree and remain friends.

We had this very same conversation some time ago as I remember. I even suggested that I would be happy to continue a discussion with you if you promised to respond to my posts and all the questions and scriptures in them that disagree with your teachings. Unfortunately you declined the offer. So for now we will have to agree to disagree. You are free to believe as you wish. You salvation is between you and God.

Here is a list of our discussions with all your questions and posts answered in the past. You just keep repeating the same things without respnding to the scriptures and posts that disagree with your teachings.

SCRIPTURES WITH QUESTIONS AND YOUR ANSWERED POSTS.

Hope this helps and my God help you as you seek him through his Word :wave:
 
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Let me re-state my point.

Your position on the whole tutor things appears to be that, in each believer's life, the Law is what gives us the knowledge of sin and therefore makes us aware that we need Jesus. Is that more or less correct - I am fairly confident you have made this kind of argument.

My point is that the context shows that Paul is making an historical argument about the role of the Law in the broad plan of redemption. As such, Paul is not describing how the Law functions in each believer's life to bring them to faith; instead, the Law was part of an unfolding redemption plan that God is implementing over the fulness of time. And now (that is, for Paul's "now"), Christ has arrived and, having served its role, the Law is set aside.

Please clarify - concisely please - exactly how you interpret "Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith".

And, please, if possible, try to tighten up your posts - it's tough to wade through such lengthy posts.

Hello expos4ever nice to see you again,

Unfortunatly simply repeating yourself and not respnding to the scriptures in post # 199 linked that has already addressed your post above does not make all the scriptures in God's WORD that disagree with you dissappear.

Please respond to post # 199 linked as it has already addressed this post and shows why your interpretation of the scriptures is incorrect in detail verse by verse (Romans 3:9-20) looking at the within scripture and chapter context of Romans 3:19-20.

Hope this helps and thanks for your thoughts.
 
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Yes I see all that you have wrote but missing where we disagree...
For the7th day Sabbath is what we enter into in Christ[his life] and there which the shadow He himself if I recall correctly rested in that Day...as Jesus arose from the dead..if we enter into life through obedience casting our cares upon Him....

Hi corinth77777, nice to see you again brother.

So you know that the SEVENTH DAY is the SABBATH right? Hebrews 3-4 is discussing that if we do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW all of God's WORD then we cannot enter into God's rest which is the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH. Take some time to go over the post and highlighted scriptures. It does not say that the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH is a Shadow and it does not say that Jesus is a Sabbath. See post 196 linked click me.

May God bless you as you seek him through his WORD :wave:
 
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Why? Because I didn't in that one post? LOL Colossians 2:16 says all the Sabbaths are Shadows. year, month, week.

Not really 1stcenturylady,

You mix up your Shadow laws with God's 10 Commandments. Besides God's 4th Commandment which is the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH written on stone, there were "SPECIAL" annual ceremonial Sabbath connected to the annual Jewish festivals in the OLD COVENANT written in the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT.

These ceremonial Sabbath were not God's 4th Commandment of the 10 Commandments but were connected to annual festivals and could fall on ANY DAY of the week depending on the yearly cycle (please read LEVITICUS 23;24-39).

These ceremonial "SPECIAL" Sabbath were connected to..

* Annual festival of The blowing of trumpet (Leviticus 23:24)
* Annual Day of Atonement (Leviticus 23:32)
* Annual Feast of tabernacles (Leviticus 23:39)

These "SPECIAL" Sabbath could fall on any day and were connected directly to these festivals that were prophetic in nature pointing to Jesus and God's plan of Salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

You have your Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT with God's ETERNAL LAW that give us a KNOWLEDGE of sin (Romans 3:20).

DETAILED SCRIPTURE SUPPORT COLOSSIANS 2 LINKING THE NEW TESTAMENT TO OLD

Sorry 1stcenturylady, God's WORD disagrees with you. If you disgree with anything I am saying please adress the post and scripture that disagree with you. Simply ignoring God's WORD does not make it dissappear.

May God help you as you seek him through his WORD :wave:
 
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Are you under the law?

No one is "UNDER THE LAW" unless they are breaking any of God's LAW. If you are KNOWINGLY breaking God's LAW then you stand guilty before God of breaking it and are UNDER THE LAW.

I suggest you read the God's Word. (Romans 3:9-20),
 
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Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 4 is saying that even though they had and followed the Sabbath Commandment, that wasn't entering into God's rest, so it is not what you are claiming.

I suggest you read God's WORD. Please respond to...

* Posts # 174 linked
* Posts # 202 linked
* Posts # 204 linked

These linked post show very clearly that HEBREWS 3 and HEBREWS 4 is talking about all who do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD not entering into God's SEVENTH DAY Sabbath rest. We enter into God's rest by BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD. If you do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD you do not enter into God's Sabbath rest of the 4th Commandment.

HEBREWS 4:9 Aramaic Bible in Plain English
So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.

All you have doing is the same thing you always do. That is to ignore the posts and scriptures that disagree with you. My friend you are free to believe as you wish but does it not bother you that you have no scriptures to support what you believe and are promoting here and that your cannot respnd to God's WORD when it is posted to you?

SIN is breaking of any of God's commandments (James 2:11). All those who continue in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into God's KINGDOM (Hebrews 10:26-27; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:3-10)

May God help you as you seek him through his WORD :wave:
 
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There 613 laws (called the Mitzvot - see http://www.friendsofsabbath.org/Further_Research/Law of God/THE 613 LAWS of the OLD TESTAMENT.pdf)that were condensed into the 10 Commandments as we know them.

Jesus did not come to counteract or change the Old testament, but He came to fulfill them. The Manna (bread from God) fed their bodies, the Bread (Holy Eucharist) feeds their souls. The Jews entered the Old Covenant with circumcision, we enter the New Testament with the Sacrament of Baptism. etc.

Hi Dave B, welcome brother and thanks for your thoughts. Actually the OLD COVENANT was made up of two sets of LAW. Theses included God's LAW (10 Commandments) and the laws of the Mosaic book of the Covenant. Much of the latter were shadow laws all pointing to Jesus and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and so nice to meet you here.

May God bless you as you seek him through his WORD. :wave:
 
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Come on now, play fair - you are evading (again). Let's revisit what led to this (above) statement of yours. The title of this threat that you started is "Are the 10 Commandments Abolished", and in the OP you stated (I added the emphasis).

Actually no, there is no evading anything. I have adressed in detail all of your posts with God's WORD showing both the within scripture and chapter contexts. You seem to be trying to make strawman argument to things I have never said, believe or stated which is a waste of everyone's time. If you wish to discuss the scritpures let's talk about them? If you do not it is ok you are free to believe as you wish. But if you are unclear as to what I believe just ask me and I will tell you. Do not make claims as to what I have shared with you that is not true or what I believe and try and then make an argument around it as that does not address this OP or the posts and scriptures provided to you that disagree with your posts. If you disagree with anything I have posted please adress all the post not part of it as you have been doing. Please address all the posts and scriptures provided to you as I have done for your posts. So far you haven't and are simply ignoring the context of the posts and scriptures provided to you that disagree with you.

Given the title of the OP, you are clearly trying to argue that Romans 2:13-16 supports the notion that the 10 commandments were not abolished.

Well that is not true. The OP has more then 100 scriptures from JESUS, JAMES, PAUL, JOHN and PETER all affiirming God's 10 Commandments are not abolished. Why would you try to claim that I am trying to base a whole argument that God's LAW is not abolsihed around Romans 2:13-16? So no your building strawman again.

I responded by pointing out that the fact that Jews who lived under the Law of Moses would indeed be judged by it, but this fact has no bearing whatsoever on whether the Law of Moses (including the 10) had been abolished by the time Paul penned those words. Conclusion: Against what you claim, Romans 2:13-16 in no wise supports the claim that the 10 are still in force. Your response, above, evades my point and simply re-asserts your position. Now let me be clear: it may well turn out (although I doubt it) that all these other scriptures you point me to in your response turn out to support your position. But that is not the point - Romans 2:13-16 in partiular clearly does not support your claim that the 10 are abolished.

This was responded to in detail in post # 201.

ROMANS 2:6-13
[6] Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
[7], To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life:
[8], But to them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
[9], Tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man that does evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
[10], But glory, honor, and peace, to every man that works good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
[11], For there is no respect of persons with God.

[12], For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
[13], For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

PAUL in Romans 2 continues the same line of reasoning in Romans 3..

ROMANS 3:9-20
[9], What then? are we better than they? No, in no way: FOR WE HAVE PROVED BOTH JEW AND GREEK, THAT THEY ARE ALL UNDER SIN;
[10], As it is written, THERE IS NONE RIGHTOUESS NO NOT ONE:
[11], There is none that understands, there is none that seeks after God.
[12], They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that does good, no, not one.
[13[, Their throat is an open sepulcher; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
[14], Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
[15], Their feet are swift to shed blood:
[16], Destruction and misery are in their ways:
[17], And the way of peace have they not known:
[18], There is no fear of God before their eyes.
[19], NOW WE KNOW THAT WHATSOEVER THINGS THE LAW SAYS, IT SAYS TO THEM WHO ARE UNDER THE LAW; that EVERY mouth may be stopped, and ALL THE WORLD MAY BECOME GUILTY BEFORE GOD.
[20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.

Now let's look at what your saying. You claim that the scriptures in Romans 2:12-13 is

"In no wise supports the claim that God's 10 Commandments are not abolsihed".

If that were true are you not disagreeing with Paul (God's WORD) who uses God's LAW to show that all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God?

Are you not disagreeing with Paul (God's WORD) who stated that it is through God's LAW that he has proven both JEWS and GENTILES have all sinned and broken God's LAW?

Are you not disagreeing with Paul (God's WORD) who states that it is only through God's LAW that we have a knowledge of what sin is?

Ok I believe the scriptures are very clear here as shown through the context above in Romans 3 and Romans 3. Romans 2:12-13 supports the fact God's LAW is not abolished as Paul states or we would have no knowledge of sin (Romans 3:20).

Hope this is helpful :wave:
 
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