ARE GOD'S 10 COMMANDMENTS ABOLISHED?

[Bluecomet]

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How are you using the word Established in relation to the Law.

Are we told how God Establishes His Laws?

Enforced

 

[corinth77777]

My thoughts on the Sabbath as of now is it was a shadow....of Christ's rest...

 

[LoveGodsWord]

My thoughts on the Sabbath as of now is it was a shadow....of Christ's rest...

Hi corinth,

The Shadow laws are all written in the MOSIAC BOOK of the COVENANT. Unlike the 10 Commandments that God wrote on stone with his own finger, the Mosiac laws for remission of sin were all Shadow laws and prophetic in nature pointing to Jesus as our true sacrifice and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

You are mixing up the Shadow laws from the MOSIAC BOOK of the COVENANT with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) that give us a KNOWLEDGE of good and evil; SIN and RIGHTOUSNESS (Romans 3:20; Pslams 119:172)

[QUESTION] How can God's 4th Commandment [SEVENTH DAY SABBATH] be a Shadow law if it was part of a FINISHED WORK, BEFORE the fall of manking and before sin entered the world and before God's plan of salvation?

[IT IS IMPOSSIBLE] Mankind was in harmony with God and there was no sin and no plan of salvation.

Please read GENESIS 2:1-3

Hope this is helpful

 

[corinth77777]

I have to say this is one of the best post...
It makes you study and rethink some thoughts and I'm Greatful to the one who started it...

The first thing I'm rethinking is the difference between righteousness and salvation

The second ideal I'm rethinking is how the Law was abolished...meaning the system as a whole of governing agent.

The 3rd ideal rethimking is referring to grace..
And how it relates to the law.

There's more....

Just seems there is a lot to be broken apart
I am here to learn...but I must say this is becoming a nice journey.

 

[corinth77777]

Hi corinth,

The Shadow laws are all written in the MOSIAC BOOK of the COVENANT. Unlike the 10 Commandments that God wrote on stone with his own finger, the Mosiac laws for remission of sin were all Shadow laws and prophetic in nature pointing to Jesus as our true sacrifice and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

You are mixing up the Shadow laws from the MOSIAC BOOK of the COVENANT with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) that give us a KNOWLEDGE of good and evil; SIN and RIGHTOUSNESS (Romans 3:20; Pslams 119:172)

[QUESTION] How can God's 4th Commandment [SEVENTH DAY SABBATH] be a Shadow law if it was part of a FINISHED WORK, BEFORE the fall of manking and before sin entered the world and before God's plan of salvation?

[IT IS IMPOSSIBLE] Mankind was in harmony with God and there was no sin and no plan of salvation.

Please read GENESIS 2:1-3

Hope this is helpful

I believe that is why I Believe it is a shadow...
It was made reference to the promise land and Jesus's Finished works

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I believe that is why I Believe it is a shadow...
It was made reference to the promise land and Jesus's Finished works

Not really, God's SABBATH was made before sin and God's plan of salvation and was a part of the finished work of creation so cannot be a shadow of anything

* Please read GENESIS 2:1-3

The Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the covenant were not God's 10 Commandments on tables of stone and were only given after monkind had sinned. There purpose was to point to Jesus as our Saviour from sin and God's plan of Salvation.

God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH was made BEFORE SIN and BEFORE God's plan of salvation was given to mankind so cannot be a Shadow of anything as there was NO SIN when it was made and NO plan of salvation therefore no Shadow laws.

Hope this helps.

 

[corinth77777]

Not really, God's SABBATH was made before sin and God's plan of salvation and was a part of the finished work of creation so cannot be a shadow of anything (GENESIS 2:1-3).

The Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the covenant were not God's 10 Commandments on tables of stone and were only given after monkind had sinned. There purpose was to point to Jesus as our Saviour from sin and God's plan of Salvation.

God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH was made BEFORE SIN and BEFORE God's plan of salvation so cannot be a Shadow of anything as there was NO SIN when it was made and NO plan of salvation therefore no Shadow laws.

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

corinth Heb 4

Hi Corinth, thanks for sharing, I know Hebrews very well thanks. I am happy to share from it futher in a min. Do you understand what is being shared with you in the previous posts in relation to when the Sabbath was made and when sin and God's plan was made and how the Sabbath cannot be a shadow law?

 

[Bluecomet]

None of the apostles confirmed the Ten Commandments, rather the law of liberty and the commandments of Jesus. We've gone over this a dozen times and you still don't know the difference.

We are under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ which freed me from the Ten Commandments as they are the law of sin and death. They are also the covenant of Ishmael which was cast out.

James 2: 12 "So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty."

 

[corinth77777]

The way I am coming to see it ...is God spoke everything into existence...
@LoveGodsWord
It is His word that is truth...

It may even be that His word is His will...right?

We come in contact with his will by obeying
The Father...by believing[obeying from the heart] His son...

Who is it that was slained before the foundation of the world? It was His word.
[Side note:Maybe one may see this in the words "I am that I am"]
When we get caught up in His will we have rest...
Jesus was slain before the foundation of the world.....That would mean God's word went forth before as you say "laws came into effect."
So in my view everyday living in Christ is our rest. [Obeying His word]
So He still rested on that day even before we knew He rested on that day.

Before we knew it as what was called the sabbath.

These are my thoughts

 

[1stcenturylady]

James 2: 12 "So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty."

So do you know what that means?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

So in my view everyday living in Christ is our rest. [Obeying His word]
So He still rested on that day even before we knew He rested on that day.
Before we knew it as what was called the sabbath.
These are my thoughts

Hi corinth, thanks for sharing your thoughts, I agree already with most of your post. This part above however is true in relation to the Gospel rest but not in relation to God's SABBATH rest and has nothing to do with the Sabbath being as you said ealier a Shadow law. It is impossible.

God's SABBATH was made before sin and God's plan of salvation and was a part of the finished work of creation so cannot be a shadow of anything as there was no sin and no plan of salvation for mankind given only the creation of heaven and earth.

* Please read GENESIS 2:1-3

The Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the covenant were not God's 10 Commandments on tables of stone and were only given after monkind had sinned. There purpose was to point to Jesus as our Saviour from sin and God's plan of Salvation.

God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH was made BEFORE SIN and BEFORE God's plan of salvation so cannot be a Shadow of anything as there was NO SIN when it was made and NO plan of salvation therefore no Shadow laws.

Thanks for sharing Corinth. Please ponder what is being said here and take it to God in prayer.

Hope this helps

 

[1stcenturylady]

God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH was made BEFORE SIN and BEFORE God's plan of salvation so cannot be a Shadow of anything as there was NO SIN when it was made and NO plan of salvation therefore no Shadow laws.

Wrong. Of course, you are reasoning as a fallible human being. I've posted this before when you said the same thing. Do you not believe this scripture?

1 Peter 1:
17 And if you call on the Father, who without partiality judges according to each one’s work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your stay here in fear; 18 knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot. 20 He indeed was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you 21 who through Him believe in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.

 

[Bluecomet]

So do you know what that means?

You will find the law of liberty first mentioned in James 1: 25 "But the one who looks into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and perseveres, being no hearer who forgets but a doer who acts, he will be blessed in his doing."
James is referring to the gospel, which, although it is called here a law, is not, strictly speaking, a law comprised of requirements and enforced by sanctions. Rather, it is a declaration of righteousness and salvation by Christ, an offer of peace and pardon by Him, and a free promise of eternal life through Him.The perfect liberty found in Christ fulfills the "perfect law" of the Old Testament because Christ was the only one who could. Those who come to Him in faith now have freedom from sin's bondage and are able to obey God. Christ alone can set us free and give us true liberty. (John 8: 36).
The phrase "Law of liberty" in James 2: 12 is discussing the sin of showing partiality within the church. He reminds his hearers that to show favoritism toward others is a violation of the command to love our neighbor as we love ourselves. Jesus Himself reminded us that all of the Law that God gave to Moses could be summed up into one concise principle - to love God with all the heart, soul and mind, and to love our neighbor as our selves (Matt. 22: 37 - 40).

 

[Bluecomet]

So do you know what that means?

People do not understand what this verse means.
Romans 13: 10 "Love worketh no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."

 

[RDKirk]

The way to act in accordance with God's righteousness is dependant upon His righteousness, not on a particular covenant. For example, it will always be righteous to help the poor no matter how many covenants God makes, so any instructions that God has ever given for how to practice righteousness will always be valid no matter which covenant we are under as long as God's righteousness remains eternal, but as part of the New Covenant we are told that those who do not follow those instructions are not children of God (1 John 3:10). If the way to act in accordance with God's righteousness changed when the New Covenant was made, then God's righteousness would not be eternal. So while the Mosaic Covenant has become obsolete, God's eternal righteousness and eternal instructions for how to act in accordance with His righteousness did not become obsolete along with it.

So, yeah, like a bank has consistent lending policies, so it will have 90% of the same boilerplate in contracts between two different customers.

I don't see what point you're trying to make of that, except maybe trying to say, somehow, that "which covenant" doesn't matter and therefore Christians must continue with Mosaic Law practices.

 

[RDKirk]

Do you understand what the phrase
“I know Him” means?


JLB

I had some philosophy professors who practiced the Socratic method, but I was paying them.

If you have a point to make, make it.

 

[expos4ever]

Paul affirms the Ten Commandments……

3. Paul tells gentiles "it is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS of the Law will be justified... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge all mankind" Rom 2:13-16

6 Paul reaches all Christians under the NEW Covenant that God's LAW as known in Jer 31:31-33 is "written on the heart and mind" Heb 8:7-11

9. God's Law (10 commandments) are holy, just and good (Rom 7:12)

10. God's Law gives us a knowledge of what sin is (Rom 3:20; 7:7)

To keep things under control, I will address bits and pieces at a time.

First, as a general principle, it must be agreed (how could right-thinking people not agree) that to affirm that the Law is a good thing is not necessarily to affirm that it remains in force. This is simple logic, and no reasonable person could argue this point. Training wheels "are a good thing", but once I have learned to ride my bike, they come off.

Now to these particular items:

3. Of course Paul says that the doers of the Law will be justified. But, again, we need to think carefully and rigorously. Remember the context: Paul is scolding the disobedient Jew of His day. He can, of course, chide such a Jew for not obeying the Law while also believing that, as of the cross, the Law comes to an end. Which is, in my opinion, the clear teaching of Paul (and Jesus, as well, but in a more subtle way).

6. This business of the law being written on the heart and mind is a little misleading; it beggars credulity to imagine that Paul is saying the written code is somehow "memorized" and still obeyed as a prescriptive code. This would be a really silly argument - anyone, at any time, could "write the law on their heart" in this simple "commit it to memory" sense. Remember what cannot be denied: Paul rejects "serving according to the Letter of the Law" in Romans 7. So it would be silly of him to also believe that we are to simply commit the Law to memory and still treat it as a prescriptive code. Paul, I claim, is talking about we now get the Spirit who guides us, according to the general principles of the Law of course, but not by its letter.

9. This is what I am referring to in my general claim at the very beginning - just because the Law is "good" does not mean it remain eternally in force as a prescriptive code.

10. God's law does indeed give the Jew the knowledge of sin. But, again, this is not a warrant to conclude it remains in force since this fact about the Law does not preclude the possibility that something else might come along to give us all knowledge of sin. And Paul puts the Spirit in that role.

 

[1stcenturylady]

10. God's law does indeed give the Jew the knowledge of sin. But, again, this is not a warrant to conclude it remains in force since this fact about the Law does not preclude the possibility that something else might come along to give us all knowledge of sin. And Paul puts the Spirit in that role.

I agree. However, it is more than just the Spirit leading us rather than the written code. What else did the Spirit do? You've left off the most important point. What was nailed to the cross? Hint: Romans 7 tells us what the real problem was.

 

[corinth77777]

Hi corinth, thanks for sharing your thoughts, I agree already with most of your post. This part above however is true in relation to the Gospel rest but not in relation to God's SABBATH rest and has nothing to do with the Sabbath being as you said ealier a Shadow law. It is impossible.

God's SABBATH was made before sin and God's plan of salvation and was a part of the finished work of creation so cannot be a shadow of anything as there was no sin and no plan of salvation for mankind given only the creation of heaven and earth.

* Please read GENESIS 2:1-3

The Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the covenant were not God's 10 Commandments on tables of stone and were only given after monkind had sinned. There purpose was to point to Jesus as our Saviour from sin and God's plan of Salvation.

God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH was made BEFORE SIN and BEFORE God's plan of salvation so cannot be a Shadow of anything as there was NO SIN when it was made and NO plan of salvation therefore no Shadow laws.

Thanks for sharing Corinth. Please ponder what is being said here and take it to God in prayer.

Hope this helps

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