ARE GOD'S 10 COMMANDMENTS ABOLISHED?

[LoveGodsWord]

On another note: It appears that LGW does indeed make a case as to why the 10 really are "special". However, I find his arguments hard to follow. Assuming you have been carefully following things, perhaps you can explain to me what his argument is, even if, of course, you don't buy it.

Hello expos4ever, I missed this one earlier. I think the key here is not very difficult. God's Law (10 Commandments or 10 Words) is said as such because he has sole ownership of it. He was the one who spoke them to his people, wrote them with his ownfinger on two tables of stone and they alone were the work of God.

We sin or miss the mark when we break any of the 10 Commandments. For example when God says; You shall not commit adultery and you commit adultery then you have missed the mark. What is the mark? Not committing Adultery. Therefore committing adultery is sin [missing the mark] because you have missed the mark of not committing adultery.

This is taught all through the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT scriptures.

Many do not understand what makes up the OLD COVENANT and say its' the 10 Commandments. While this is true it is only half the story. The OLD COVENANT consists of both the 10 Commandments and the shadow laws that the NEW TESTAMENT talks about from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT.

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OLD COVENANT (there are many more for each just adding a few here)
What made up the Old Covenant?

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1. TEN COMMANDMENTS

EXODUS 34 [28] And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the COVENANT, the ten commandments.

PURPOSE: of God's 10 Commandments in the OLD COVENANT is the same as in the NEW COVENANT which is to give a KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTOUESNESS if broken or obeyed (Romans 3:20; James 2:8-11; Romans 7:7; Psalms 119:172).

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2. MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT

EXODUS 24 [7] And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the hearing of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

PURPOSE: Contained the shadow laws for remission of sin [FORGIVENESS] if any of God's 10 comandments were broken and outlined God's plan of salvation for mankind. These were the Shadow laws that pointed to Jesus and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT [e.g. Leviticus chapters 4-23].

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It is the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT that are fulfilled and pointed to Christ that have been abolished [no more sin offereings] not God's 10 commandments that give us a KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTOUESSNESS. These still have the same role they always had and that is to lead us to the sin offering for all mankind in under the NEW COVENANT which is Christ! (Galatians 3:22-25). No law no sin no saviour.

Hope this helps

 

[Dave B]

613 laws were condensed in what we call the 10 Commandments. Jesus then broke the 10 into 2 commandments The 1st three of the 10 can be summarized as to "Love the Lord, your God with all your heart, mind, soul & strength" and the last 7 to "Love your neighbor as you love yourself" or "Do unto others as you would want to be done unto you."

 

[Dave B]

Things that happened in the Old testament were done in the New Testament to fulfill the Old Testament. The Jews passed through water for salvation from slavery. With Baptism, in the New Testament, those who are baptized are freed from the slavery of sin. In the Old Testament, men were circumcised to enter into the Old Testament Covenant with God and in the New Testament we are Baptized to enter into the New Covenant with God. Manna (unleavened bread) fell from Heaven and it nourished their bodies, in the New Testament, Jesus came from Heaven, died and resurrected and thus became the "Bread of Life". Catholics take Holy Communion as the "Bread from Heaven" with the belief that is nourishes our souls. In the Old testament, men were saved with Noah's arc and in the New Testament, Mary was the arc that carried Jesus, who men were saved from the effects of Original Sin. In 1Kings 17:17-24, Elisha resurrected the widow's son. In Luke 7:11-17, Jesus raises widow's son back from death in a similar way.
Luke 8:40-56
1 Kings 17:17-24

 

[LoveGodsWord]

613 laws were condensed in what we call the 10 Commandments. Jesus then broke the 10 into 2 commandments The 1st three of the 10 can be summarized as to "Love the Lord, your God with all your heart, mind, soul & strength" and the last 7 to "Love your neighbor as you love yourself" or "Do unto others as you would want to be done unto you."

Hello brother David B, welcome and nice to meet you here

In the days of Jesus and the Apostles their bible was the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures. Did you know that the two great commandments of LOVE to GOD and LOVE to man was already as quoted from Jesus in MATTHEW 22:36-40 was from the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures? You can find these scriptures in DEUTERONOMY 6:5 and LEVITICUS 19:18. Your correct in that they sum up the law and the Prophets *MATTHEW 22:40. Everything that we have in the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures come from the OLD TESTAMENT writings. Much of the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures point to Jesus and the NEW and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT. I like your post only difference is that I believe it is the first 4 commandments that are our duty of LOVE to GOD *EXODUS 20:3-11 and the second six commandments are our duty of LOVE to our fellow man *EXODUS 20:12-17. Thanks for sharing your thoughts brother David great post

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

 

[Saint Steven]

613 laws were condensed in what we call the 10 Commandments. Jesus then broke the 10 into 2 commandments The 1st three of the 10 can be summarized as to "Love the Lord, your God with all your heart, mind, soul & strength" and the last 7 to "Love your neighbor as you love yourself" or "Do unto others as you would want to be done unto you."

By whom were the 613 commandments condensed into the Ten Commandments? Not by Jesus.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

By whom were the 613 commandments condensed into the Ten Commandments? Not by Jesus.

Sorry Steve, God's WORD disagrees with you.

DEUTERONOMY 6:5
[5], And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might.

LEVITICUS 19:17-18
[17], You shall not hate your brother in your heart: you shall surely rebuke your neighbor, and not bear sin because of him.
[18], You shall not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the LORD.

MATTHEW 22:36-40
[36], Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37], Jesus said unto him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
[38], This is the first and great commandment.
[39], And the second is like unto it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
[40], On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Hope this helps

 

[Saint Steven]

Sorry Steve, God's WORD disagrees with you.

DEUTERONOMY 6:5
[5], And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might.

LEVITICUS 19:17-18
[17], You shall not hate your brother in your heart: you shall surely rebuke your neighbor, and not bear sin because of him.
[18], You shall not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the LORD.

MATTHEW 22:36-40
[36], Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37], Jesus said unto him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
[38], This is the first and great commandment.
[39], And the second is like unto it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
[40], On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Hope this helps

Where is the condensing that you are claiming? Only in your mind. "God's WORD" say no such thing.

By whom were the 613 commandments condensed into the Ten Commandments? Not by Jesus.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Where is the condensing that you are claiming? Only in your mind. "God's WORD" say no such thing.

By whom were the 613 commandments condensed into the Ten Commandments? Not by Jesus.

Sorry Steve, God's WORD disagrees with you. How many commandments are there in the ten Commandments?

EXODUS 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

DEUTERONOMY 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

DEUTERONOMY 10:4 And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the LORD spoke unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them unto me.

Hope this helps

 

[klutedavid]

613 laws were condensed in what we call the 10 Commandments. Jesus then broke the 10 into 2 commandments The 1st three of the 10 can be summarized as to "Love the Lord, your God with all your heart, mind, soul & strength" and the last 7 to "Love your neighbor as you love yourself" or "Do unto others as you would want to be done unto you."

You can condense even one step further.

Galatians 5:14
For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

The word is love.

God is love.

 

[klutedavid]

Hello expos4ever, I missed this one earlier. I think the key here is not very difficult. God's Law (10 Commandments or 10 Words) is said as such because he has sole ownership of it. He was the one who spoke them to his people, wrote them with his ownfinger on two tables of stone and they alone were the work of God.

We sin or miss the mark when we break any of the 10 Commandments. For example when God says; You shall not commit adultery and you commit adultery then you have missed the mark. What is the mark? Not committing Adultery. Therefore committing adultery is sin [missing the mark] because you have missed the mark of not committing adultery.

This is taught all through the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT scriptures.

Many do not understand what makes up the OLD COVENANT and say its' the 10 Commandments. While this is true it is only half the story. The OLD COVENANT consists of both the 10 Commandments and the shadow laws that the NEW TESTAMENT talks about from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT.

.............

OLD COVENANT (there are many more for each just adding a few here)
What made up the Old Covenant?

..............

1. TEN COMMANDMENTS

EXODUS 34 [28] And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the COVENANT, the ten commandments.

PURPOSE: of God's 10 Commandments in the OLD COVENANT is the same as in the NEW COVENANT which is to give a KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTOUESNESS if broken or obeyed (Romans 3:20; James 2:8-11; Romans 7:7; Psalms 119:172).

.............

2. MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT

EXODUS 24 [7] And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the hearing of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

PURPOSE: Contained the shadow laws for remission of sin [FORGIVENESS] if any of God's 10 comandments were broken and outlined God's plan of salvation for mankind. These were the Shadow laws that pointed to Jesus and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT [e.g. Leviticus chapters 4-23].

..............

It is the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT that are fulfilled and pointed to Christ that have been abolished [no more sin offereings] not God's 10 commandments that give us a KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTOUESSNESS. These still have the same role they always had and that is to lead us to the sin offering for all mankind in under the NEW COVENANT which is Christ! (Galatians 3:22-25). No law no sin no saviour.

Hope this helps

Hello LGW.

If you break a shadow law as you call them, is that sin?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Hello LGW. If you break a shadow law as you call them, is that sin?

Depends on what your interpretation of a Shadow law is. How can you break a Shadow law that has been fulfilled in the NEW COVENANT? God's WORD calls them Shadow laws not me.

The Shadow laws are a reference to the MOSAIC BOOK of the law or COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7; DEUTERONOMY 31:26 that pointed to Jesus as our true sacrifice for sin and his ministration as our great high Priest in the Heavenly Sanctuary *JOHN 1:29; HEBREWS 7.

All the OLD COVENANT laws for remission of sin written in the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7. Are Shadow laws pointing to Jesus and God's plan of salvation and are fulfilled in the NEW COVENANT *MATTHEW 5:17.

HEBREWS 8:5 Who serve unto the example and SHADOW of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, says he, that you make all things according to the pattern showed to you in the mount.

HEBREWS 10:1 For the law having a SHADOW of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the ones approaching perfect.

The SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT are fulfilled in the new Covenant. No more animal sacrifices, sin offerings and other laws pointing to Jesus and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

HEBREWS 10:4-9
[4], For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
[5], Therefore when he comes into the world, he says, Sacrifice and offering you desired not, but a body have you prepared me:
[6], In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin you have had no pleasure.
[7], Then said I, Lo, I come in the volume of the book it is written of me, to do your will, O God.
[8], Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin you desired not, neither had pleasure in them; which are offered by the law;
[9], Then said he, Lo, I come to do your will, O God. He takes away the first, that he may establish the second.

Hope this helps.

 

[klutedavid]

Depends on what your interpretation of a Shadow law is. How can you break a Shadow law that has been fulfilled in the NEW COVENANT? God's WORD calls them Shadow laws not me.

The Shadow laws are a reference to the MOSAIC BOOK of the law or COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7; DEUTERONOMY 31:26 that pointed to Jesus as our true sacrifice for sin and his ministration as our great high Priest in the Heavenly Sanctuary *JOHN 1:29; HEBREWS 7.

All the OLD COVENANT laws for remission of sin written in the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7. Are Shadow laws pointing to Jesus and God's plan of salvation and are fulfilled in the NEW COVENANT *MATTHEW 5:17.

HEBREWS 8:5 Who serve unto the example and SHADOW of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, says he, that you make all things according to the pattern showed to you in the mount.

HEBREWS 10:1 For the law having a SHADOW of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the ones approaching perfect.

The SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT are fulfilled in the new Covenant. No more animal sacrifices, sin offerings and other laws pointing to Jesus and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

HEBREWS 10:4-9
[4], For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
[5], Therefore when he comes into the world, he says, Sacrifice and offering you desired not, but a body have you prepared me:
[6], In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin you have had no pleasure.
[7], Then said I, Lo, I come in the volume of the book it is written of me, to do your will, O God.
[8], Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin you desired not, neither had pleasure in them; which are offered by the law;
[9], Then said he, Lo, I come to do your will, O God. He takes away the first, that he may establish the second.

Hope this helps.

Hello LGW, thanks for the reply.

Depends on what your interpretation of a Shadow law is.

Yes, the method of interpretation applied to the scripture, in the end, is the critical issue.

For me, the entire law is pointing to the arrival and presence, of the brilliance of the Christ.

After all, Jesus was the only one who could ever fulfill all these things, that the law and prophets demanded.

The reason I asked you LGW, whether breaking a shadow law is a sin. Since, there are numerous laws in what you call the shadow laws, that grant the knowledge of sin.

Exodus 22:22
You shall not afflict any widow or orphan.

I would assume that you would never break this law (shadow law?), since the consequences of committing this sin are severe.

Even James promotes this law in his letter.

James 1:27
Pure and undefiled religion in the sight of our God and Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world.

See how James uses this law (Exodus 22:22), not only do you need to obey this law. James tells you to visit widows and orphans in their distress.

Obviously LGW, your not going to call this law (Exodus 22:22) a shadow law, are you?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Hello LGW, thanks for the reply.

Yes, the method of interpretation applied to the scripture, in the end, is the critical issue.

For me, the entire law is pointing to the arrival and presence, of the brilliance of the Christ.

After all, Jesus was the only one who could ever fulfill all these things, that the law and prophets demanded.

The reason I asked you LGW, whether breaking a shadow law is a sin. Since, there are numerous laws in what you call the shadow laws, that grant the knowledge of sin.

Exodus 22:22
You shall not afflict any widow or orphan.

I would assume that you would never break this law (shadow law?), since the consequences of committing this sin are severe.

Even James promotes this law in his letter.

James 1:27
Pure and undefiled religion in the sight of our God and Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world.

See how James uses this law (Exodus 22:22), not only do you need to obey this law. James tells you to visit widows and orphans in their distress.

Obviously LGW, your not going to call this law (Exodus 22:22) a shadow law, are you?

Hellow David,

Try reading the post above yours again. I am not sure if you understood it (post # 791 linked). It seems you have a different understanding of what shadow laws are than I do.

The Shadow laws are any laws from the MOSIAC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 that pointed to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

NOT EVERY law in the OLD TESTAMENT is a Shadow law only those laws they point to Jesus and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT which there are many.

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I would assume that you would never break this law (shadow law?), since the consequences of committing this sin are severe.

David, you cannot break Shadow laws as they are fulfilled in Christ. Not every law in the OLD TESTAMENT are Shadow laws.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Hello LGW, thanks for the reply.
Yes, the method of interpretation applied to the scripture, in the end, is the critical issue.
For me, the entire law is pointing to the arrival and presence, of the brilliance of the Christ.
After all, Jesus was the only one who could ever fulfill all these things, that the law and prophets demanded.

Arrival....presence......repent!

Is the GREAT CITY in Revelation symbolizing the LAKE OF FIRE?

2240. heko hay'-ko a primary verb; to arrive, i.e. be present (literally or figuratively):--come.

Greek and Hebrew Reader Online

Matthew 24:14 [#5056 Revelation 2:26]
and this good-news of the reign shall be proclaimed<2784> in all the being-homed<3625>, for a testimony to all the nations; and then shall be arriving<2240> the end/finish<5056>.

Luke 19:43 [exact form used in Revelation 18:8]
That shall be arriving/ἥξουσιν<2240> days upon Thee and the enemies of Thee shall be casting a siege-work to Thee and shall be encompassing Thee and together-pressing/sunexousin <4912> (5692) Thee every which place.

2 Peter 3:10
Yet shall be arriving<2240> the day of Lord — as a thief in the night, in which the heavens with a rushing noise will pass away, and the elements with burning heat be dissolved, and land and the works in it shall be burnt up.

Revelation 3:9 [exact word form used in Revelation 18:8]
Behold! I am giving out of the synagogue of the Satan, to the ones saying themselves Judeans to-be and not they are, but they are falsifying.
Behold! I shall be making them that they shall be arriving/ἥξουσιν<2240>,
and they shall be worshiping before the feet of thee,
and they may be knowing that I Love thee.

Revelation 18:8 [exact forum used in Luke 19:43 Revelation 3:9]
by this, in one day shall be arriving/ἥξουσιν<2240> the blows of Her, death and sorrow and famine.
And in fire She shall be being burned,
that strong Lord, the God, the one judging Her
18 “and cried out when they saw the smoke of Her burning, saying, ‘What is like this great City?'

 

[klutedavid]

David, you cannot break Shadow laws as they are fulfilled in Christ. Not every law in the OLD TESTAMENT are Shadow laws.

Hello LGW.

Well LGW, is the law below a, 'shadow law', as you call it?

Exodus 22:22
You shall not afflict any widow or orphan.

Can you break this law and not be committing sin?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Hello LGW.

Well LGW, is the law below a, 'shadow law', as you call it?

Exodus 22:22
You shall not afflict any widow or orphan.

Can you break this law and not be committing sin?

Hello David,

Try reading post # 791 linked again. I am not sure if you understood it. It seems you have a different understanding of what shadow laws are than I do.

The Shadow laws are any law from the MOSIAC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 that pointed to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

NOT EVERY law in the OLD TESTAMENT is a Shadow law only those laws they point to Jesus and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT which there are many.

If you do not understand what the OLD COVENANT is David how can you understand what the NEW is? Is EXODUS 22:22 a Shadow law David?

Hope this helps?

 

[klutedavid]

Hello David,

Try reading post # 791 linked again. I am not sure if you understood it. It seems you have a different understanding of what shadow laws are than I do.

The Shadow laws are any law from the MOSIAC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 that pointed to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

NOT EVERY law in the OLD TESTAMENT is a Shadow law only those laws they point to Jesus and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT which there are many.

If you do not understand what the OLD COVENANT is David how can you understand what the NEW is? Is EXODUS 22:22 a Shadow law David?

Hope this helps?

I asked you, whether the law (Exodus 22:22) was a shadow law. Instead of answering the question, you reply with the claim that, I do not understand the Old Testament.

Here is a vague and unspecific part of your reply to the question.

NOT EVERY law in the OLD TESTAMENT is a Shadow law only those laws they point to Jesus and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT which there are many.

Again LGW, is the law (EXODUS 22:22) a Shadow law or not?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I asked you, whether the law (Exodus 22:22) was a shadow law. Instead of answering the question, you reply with the claim that, I do not understand the Old Testament.

Here is a vague and unspecific part of your reply to the question.

Again LGW, is the law (EXODUS 22:22) a Shadow law or not?

Not really David. Your question was already answered in the scriptures provided twice in the linked post provided earlier. I do not think you either read it or if you did than you did not understand it. Try reading it again and tell me if you think I believe EXODUS 22:22 is a shadow law. Not all laws from the OLD TESTAMENT are shadow laws.

 

[klutedavid]

Not really David. Your question was already answered in the scriptures provided twice in the linked post provided earlier. I do not think you either read it or if you did than you did not understand it. Try reading it again and tell me if you think I believe EXODUS 22:22 is a shadow law. Not all laws from the OLD TESTAMENT are shadow laws.

So you preach LGW, that you can afflict widows and orphans, because you are not under that shadow law?

Hurting widows and orphans is not a sin?