Are Gates And Walls Immoral?

[Cimorene]

Absurd argument. It's called eminent domain when the gov't obtains land from private land owners for the "public good." It's also called taxes which you and I pay to finance these projects. Congress' refusal to provide the monies derived from our taxes left the President with no choice but to take monies appropriated for other projects.

We all know what eminent domain means, and it's absolutely absurd and morally defective to hold the attitude that it entitles Trump to just use whatever land he pleases for an ignorant ineffective wall.
Taxes are also not just for Trump to do with what he wants. Congress is correct to not squander funds on Trump's vain stupidity. Trump loves to put on a charade for the gullible about his love for the military. Funding for military families has been diverted to his entirely feckless wall idea.

 

[Cimorene]

A national wall is somehow immoral? Hmm. That's a twist I'd have to see someone try to defend with legitimate argumentation. Maybe if some of the tons of drugs coming across our unwalled, unprotected borders were being sold out of a drug house next to your house, you might alter your perceptions about the morality behind a defensive wall....or not.

Jr

As I wrote in the post you literally quoted, walls are inanimate; they do not have inherent moral value one way or the other, and therefore it's the intent and purpose that determine whether they are immoral. I don't know how you managed to twist yourself around to come to that first sentence, lol.

A border doesn't have to be walled to be protected. If anyone thinks that walls are going to radically reduce the drugs coming into the United States, then please contact me about this bridge you can buy for the low, low price of $19.99 a month in three easy installments!

 

[Redwingfan9]

Are Gates and Walls Immoral? If you believe in God, and you answered yes, you might want to rethink that.

Trump is building a wall on the Southern border, and many Democrats called it "immoral".
But if those same Democrat Politicians, Liberal Fake News Media(ABC, NBC, CBS), and Democrat voters call it immoral, then what do they think about the Pearly Gates before you enter heaven?

What do Democrat voters think about Democrat Politicians living in gated communities with walls? Why did Obama raise the fence that surrounds the White House, when he was President, if Walls, and fences or so Racist, and Immoral?

It's quite simple actually...…...It's because they're not Racist or Immoral. It's simply just another lie from the Fake Democrat Mainstream Media, and Democrat Politicians.

First of all there's no scripture backing up the concept of pearly gates in Heaven. Such ideas are superstition.

Beyond that at the time scripture was written walled cities were a necessity. It wasn't safe to have a city that wasn't walled. A city without a wall would have been open for any army to come in without opposition. It also would have allowed thieves to easily enter at night. The notion that God is against walls is ludacris.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Are Gates and Walls Immoral? If you believe in God, and you answered yes, you might want to rethink that.

Trump is building a wall on the Southern border, and many Democrats called it "immoral".
But if those same Democrat Politicians, Liberal Fake News Media(ABC, NBC, CBS), and Democrat voters call it immoral, then what do they think about the Pearly Gates before you enter heaven?

What do Democrat voters think about Democrat Politicians living in gated communities with walls? Why did Obama raise the fence that surrounds the White House, when he was President, if Walls, and fences or so Racist, and Immoral?

It's quite simple actually...…...It's because they're not Racist or Immoral. It's simply just another lie from the Fake Democrat Mainstream Media, and Democrat Politicians.

... What?

 

[SwordmanJr]

First of all there's no scripture backing up the concept of pearly gates in Heaven. Such ideas are superstition.

Superstition is taught from most pulpits all across the Western world, and in Europe.

Beyond that at the time scripture was written walled cities were a necessity.

The Vatican considers walls a necessity for them, China has theirs, Every nation in Europe has theirs around the borders, many Islamic countries have them along their borders. They even put one up around the actual (the REAL one, not the fake tourist attraction) mountain where Moses went up and received the Ten Commandments.

Someone stated that walls, in and of themselves, are not a moral crisis, but that the idea behind building them is what brings in any measure of immorality. The OP, being what appears to be yet another hit-n-run poster, failed to establish any reason the rethink walls on the basis of believing in God.

It wasn't safe to have a city that wasn't walled. A city without a wall would have been open for any army to come in without opposition. It also would have allowed thieves to easily enter at night. The notion that God is against walls is ludacris.

But you have to consider that many out there think Nancy Pimplosi is an authority over morality. It's ok to her that she supports the murder of the unborn, homosexuality, transgenderism, and all manner of other perversions, so why not the declaration of walls being immoral. It makes perfect sense from her perspective. Being a woman who is fully accepted by the Vatican and all its leadership, they too have taken up her chant. It makes perfect sense that a woman who lives in a walled, secure community of mansions with armed security, along with her lackies all think that the general populace of America should be subject to whatever crosses our borders so that the drug houses down the street are well stocked with drugs to sell, and illegals to take up the lower paying jobs from citizens. Her grandchildren won't have to worry about the bullets flying around their neighborhoods, and their homes in gated communities being broken into.

Jr

 

[Oldmantook]

Anyone thinking that any American citizen truly owns the land they possess, well, they are totally lost to the realities. The government owns ALL real property in America, just as they do all throughout western Europe.

For anyone who would think to argue the point, perhaps they can explain how the government can take from you the real property, sell it, and give you nothing in return when you fail to "pay" your taxes. They can't take the shirt off your back without payment, but they can take the land and structures on the property and give nothing in return.

So, when the government can take from you something that they don't have to pay you for, then how is it that you genuinely own it? You don't! That land along the border, it ALL belongs to the government, just like the house and lands you paid to possess, but not own.

So, the government is protecting not only us, but also its own lands by erecting a fence/wall to keep out people who have no regard for our laws. Those who don't like that can pack up and move to another country, all of which also have walls and fences around their borders, complain about it there, and see just how far you get.

Whining about the wall is bankrupt of all reasonable rationale from what I've seen thus far. Keeping illegal voters for Democrats out is simply the icing on the largest volume of the cake.

Jr

I never wrote that gov't seizure of property is okay, just that it exists so you're barking up the wrong tree. Furthermore, I agree that the wall is a necessity to protect national borders.

 

[Oldmantook]

We all know what eminent domain means, and it's absolutely absurd and morally defective to hold the attitude that it entitles Trump to just use whatever land he pleases for an ignorant ineffective wall.
Taxes are also not just for Trump to do with what he wants. Congress is correct to not squander funds on Trump's vain stupidity. Trump loves to put on a charade for the gullible about his love for the military. Funding for military families has been diverted to his entirely feckless wall idea.

Your ignorance of scripture overlooks the fact that God creates the boundaries of nations which should be respected.
From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. Acts 17:26
Satan wants to undo what God has established.

 

[Cimorene]

Your ignorance of scripture overlooks the fact that God creates the boundaries of nations which should be respected.
From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. Acts 17:26
Satan wants to undo what God has established.

Is this meant to be a Poe?

A boundary doesn't have to entail a physical wall. Are you filled up with that righteous fury that there's no plans for a wall between the US and Canada? As Canada has patiently explained to Trump, more terror suspects have entered the US from Canada than Mexico.

As I wrote before a wall doesn't have moral value, it's about intent. Btw - Did you also huff and puff when President Reagan said "tear down this wall" and really set yourself to the task of informing him of his ignorance of scripture you misappropriated? Lol.

 

[Oldmantook]

Is this meant to be a Poe?

A boundary doesn't have to entail a physical wall. Are you filled up with that righteous fury that there's no plans for a wall between the US and Canada? As Canada has patiently explained to Trump, more terror suspects have entered the US from Canada than Mexico.

As I wrote before a wall doesn't have moral value, it's about intent. Btw - Did you also huff and puff when President Reagan said "tear down this wall" and really set yourself to the task of informing him of his ignorance of scripture you misappropriated? Lol.

Your logic is lacking. Of course it doesn't have to be a wall. But since our boundaries are now porous, then a wall is a necessity because of ILLEGAL aliens. Further illogical thinking is demonstrated by you when you compare the Canadian border. Just because one border is more porous, it does not mean that you should not secure all borders. When you lock your doors at night, do you lock one door or all doors? If would be inane to secure just one door but leave other doors unsecured - same with borders. Common sense prevails. And lastly explain how I misappropriated scripture why don't you? Germany was an undivided country before the German communists divided the country. They changed the boundaries so of course breaking down the wall was fine in order to reestablish the original boundaries. Any more objections??

 

[Cimorene]

Your logic is lacking. Of course it doesn't have to be a wall. But since our boundaries are now porous, then a wall is a necessity because of ILLEGAL aliens. Further illogical thinking is demonstrated by you when you compare the Canadian border. Just because one border is more porous, it does not mean that you should not secure all borders. When you lock your doors at night, do you lock one door or all doors? If would be inane to secure just one door but leave other doors unsecured - same with borders. Common sense prevails. And lastly explain how I misappropriated scripture why don't you? Germany was an undivided country before the German communists divided the country. They changed the boundaries so of course breaking down the wall was fine in order to reestablish the original boundaries. Any more objections??

Your logic is lacking due to your facts being lacking. The border wall as Trump wants it to be is absolutely not a necessity which is why people who are not ignorant of the facts, including those who represent the areas along the border, strenuously object.

 

[Oldmantook]

Your logic is lacking due to your facts being lacking. The border wall as Trump wants it to be is absolutely not a necessity which is why people who are not ignorant of the facts, including those who represent the areas along the border, strenuously object.

Do you lock all your doors at night or do you leave some unlocked? If your logic applies then I hope you are consistent and perhaps only lock one while leaving the others wide open. Does not common sense apply here?

 

[SwordmanJr]

I never wrote that gov't seizure of property is okay, just that it exists so you're barking up the wrong tree. Furthermore, I agree that the wall is a necessity to protect national borders.

I only failed to mention that I was speaking expansively, generally, not specifically to something you said didn't say about government seizures being ok. Given that the government owns all the "real" property we possess, seizure of that property is not a matter of right or wrong. The government owns it all. If we truly "owned" our homes and land, then it would indeed be wrong for the government levy taxation against our property, and to take it without monetary consideration for its market value.

It's interesting, is it not, that we all go around paying one another overly inflated sums of money for property belonging to the government, we spend our hard earned money to improve it, build on it ONLY after getting permission from the owning government, and yet the money purchases nothing that we can call our own? By not paying the "rent" to the government called "property taxes", it's taken away just like that, even the materials you poured into it. Dare you burn it to the ground before seizure takes place, and you are charged with arson. The monarchs in England had the same type system given that all the land belonged to the kings, and still do today, except now it's a sitting "queen" figurehead who today lays claim to one-sixth of all the land mass in the world.

Jr

 

[SwordmanJr]

Your logic is lacking due to your facts being lacking. The border wall as Trump wants it to be is absolutely not a necessity which is why people who are not ignorant of the facts, including those who represent the areas along the border, strenuously object.

It's interesting that the border control agents who work along that border day in and day out say that the wall is absolutely necessary, contrary to the foolishness of liberal thinking that it's not.

So, whom shall we believe? The media kooks who are nothing more than talking heads telling weak-minded people what to think and believe, or those who work there daily?

Jr

 

[SwordmanJr]

Is this meant to be a Poe?

A boundary doesn't have to entail a physical wall. Are you filled up with that righteous fury that there's no plans for a wall between the US and Canada? As Canada has patiently explained to Trump, more terror suspects have entered the US from Canada than Mexico.

How do those officials in Canada know that? Are they sitting at our southern border, counting how many of the illegals entering our lands illegally are terrorists? Do the terrorists have banners on the backs of their shirts in big letters "TERRORIST"? Politically motivated rhetoric that is lacking in critical thought is always suspect, and should be viewed as such.

As I wrote before a wall doesn't have moral value, it's about intent.

I still have not yet seen anyone in here explain the intent as having traipsed into the realm of immorality. Lots of accusations are flying about from people who seem to think they are God, and therefore have a view into Trump's heart and mind, but none of them have yet explained even on a rudimntry level how the philosophy behind the wall is immoral when most other countries have fences and walls, including the Vatican.

Oh, and them claiming that the wall around the Vatican is a historical piece rather than a philosophical one to this day, they are fooling only fools. They could open up passageways through that historical wall to be more open to the world around them, but they do no such thing. They could build stairways up and over that wall, but they do nothing of the kind because they WANT that wall there for security.

Btw - Did you also huff and puff when President Reagan said "tear down this wall" and really set yourself to the task of informing him of his ignorance of scripture you misappropriated? Lol.

That wall between East and West Berlin was there for more reasons than mere security. It not only kept outsiders out, but also those inside IN, like prisoners. Anyone who lived during the cold war and beyond would know that. The intent of the southern border wall is not "intended" to keep us in, unless you know something we do not. So, for your rationale to have any merit, do you know of such an intent? Do tell us all about it, if you can.

Jr

 

[Oldmantook]

I only failed to mention that I was speaking expansively, generally, not specifically to something you said didn't say about government seizures being ok. Given that the government owns all the "real" property we possess, seizure of that property is not a matter of right or wrong. The government owns it all. If we truly "owned" our homes and land, then it would indeed be wrong for the government levy taxation against our property, and to take it without monetary consideration for its market value.

It's interesting, is it not, that we all go around paying one another overly inflated sums of money for property belonging to the government, we spend our hard earned money to improve it, build on it ONLY after getting permission from the owning government, and yet the money purchases nothing that we can call our own? By not paying the "rent" to the government called "property taxes", it's taken away just like that, even the materials you poured into it. Dare you burn it to the ground before seizure takes place, and you are charged with arson. The monarchs in England had the same type system given that all the land belonged to the kings, and still do today, except now it's a sitting "queen" figurehead who today lays claim to one-sixth of all the land mass in the world.

Jr

The blood line families rule until Jesus comes back and we both know what happens then. In the meantime we strive to overcome and persevere until the end.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Anyone thinking that any American citizen truly owns the land they possess, well, they are totally lost to the realities. The government owns ALL real property in America, just as they do all throughout western Europe.

I'm not sure anyone wants to believe how fast they can be taken off 'their own' property !
(for no reason at all) (just on someone else's 'whim')

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Walls and gates are inanimate objects. They don't have moral value one way or the other. What makes them immoral or not is the intent behind them.

hmmm..... and then there's this, next.....

Yes of course people rightfully call Trump's wall plans immoral. It's also just recklessly ineffective and comparing it to gates around a mansion is silly.

What if Yahuweh's (God's) INTENT BEHIND THEM is GOOD , RIGHT and PROPER? (regardless of any man's thoughts about them) ....

Would anyone dare call Yahuweh (God The Creatore) inanimate, immoral, or wrong about anything !?