Your challenge was solved in the first post. It was pointed out that the question you posed was loaded - it presumed that the perfect car could be wrecked. That's all there is to it.
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Your challenge was solved in the first post. It was pointed out that the question you posed was loaded - it presumed that the perfect car could be wrecked. That's all there is to it.I'm not ducking anything, Dannager. If you want to address anything I'm saying, go ahead, but I challenge you or anyone to take my challenge and then show how God created this universe any other way than perfecft.
AV1611VET, I know that you know what "omnipotent" means. I shouldn't need to define it for you. And I also know that you know that the inability to be wrecked doesn't qualify as omnipotence.Okie - doke --- then I'm assuming you're "perfect car" is one that is omnipotent? I thought you just said above it wasn't?
Your challenge was solved in the first post. It was pointed out that the question you posed was loaded - it presumed that the perfect car could be wrecked. That's all there is to it.
And we contend that you're wrong. You haven't defined perfect in any meaningful fashion, and in the opinion of many of us, if something is actually perfect it would not be able to be destroyed.Then I contend that God's perfect Creation can be (and was) wrecked as well; through no fault of His own.
I want this forum to be a Creation Science think tank without interruption from atheists and evolutionists. We can discuss with evolutionists all we want on the CvE forum. I want them out and I'm dead serious. Get a mod to fix this for us please.
Then again, that's probably just a side-effect of wanted to be exposed to different beliefs and actively challenge ourselves.
It's posts like this that make me want this forum to be closed.
And we contend that you're wrong. You haven't defined perfect in any meaningful fashion, and in the opinion of many of us, if something is actually perfect it would not be able to be destroyed.
Yes.Let me get this straight, Dannager. If we define "perfect" sans omnipotent, then the answer to my challenge is: it's my fault?
Nope, it's still your fault.But if we define "perfect" as including omnipotence, then the answer to my challenge is: it's your fault?
Nope, fault lies with the person who falsely advertised an imperfect car as perfect.Are you trying to tell me that the fault lies with the definition of "perfect," and not with the one who actually wrecked the car???
I was in the shower, AV1611VET. Some of us have things to do.10 minutes and no reply? And who's afraid to debate???
Yes.
Nope, it's still your fault.
Nope, fault lies with the person who falsely advertised an imperfect car as perfect.
I was in the shower, AV1611VET. Some of us have things to do.
What is a perfect car?
Wrong --- you're confusing perfection with omnipotence. Jesus was perfect, yet they beat Him to a pulp, driving thorns through His head, nails through his hands (or wrists) and feet, and a spear through His side.
Does it matter?
Let's go with "without defect," and see where that takes us.
If it's just an ordinary car that's in pristine condition, I'd say the fault lies with whoever wrecked it.
Does it matter? Let's go with "without defect," and see where that takes us.
My Perfect Car Challenge
If I build the perfect car and give it to you; and you wreck it; is it my fault?
Could we please leave robots out of my challenge? The only two people mentioned in my challenge are you and me. Please don't add to it, then claim it's somehow "rather inappropriate," okay?
p.s. And I built the car --- not you.
It helps when you use words correctly. Perfect is a state that cannot be improved. If there is a 'perfect' car that can be wrecked it can be improved by making it impervious to damage. Therefore the 'perfect' car is not perfect. As for as a car without defect, that is nothing special. Unless you're admitting that our 'perfect' little world never was perfect. Doesn't your god proclaim that his work is "good" in genesis, not "perfect?" An omnipotent being could easily have built a perfect world, but nope, we got ripped off.Thank you! Now was that so hard?
(Man --- it's like pulling teeth around here!)
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