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So the reason is a couple of fellow workers were Jews and Luke was a fellow worker. I guess it is possible.
Why do most scholars consider Luke a Gentile and a few consider him a Hellenstic Jew?
I looked it up. Guess I was just being lazyI have no idea. I had always heard that Luke was gentile all my life & just aware of the passages that I referred to from Colossians.
Sorry to have to create a thread here again, this is the only section I was able to create a new thread at, the other forums require "christian" designation, until a moderator changes that for me, I create here. You can move my threads to the right place later if its a problem.
Well basically, my question is are Christians just Jews with different beliefs? To me it seems that way. I live in Israel and, I'm not really a Jew, but the Family I come from has jewish background. But since Christianity came after Judaism, not before, and Christians are originally Jews who have simply believed Jesus was the Messiah, why arent they called Jews?
Christians still have the same Old testament which Jews follow and believe in, they still believe in heaven/hell, still believe in various Jewish related traditions and behaviors and so on. So I dont understand why arent Christians considered Jews. Christianity itself is originally Judaism except they accepted Jesus as the Messiah. So how did a new religion was created like that? It doesnt look very sensible.
Personally, I think Jews and Christians are almost the same thing. I even heard somewhere Jew+Jesus = Christian. Is that true?
Hope you all can please explain things, thanks.
I find it interesting that Paul considered himself an Apostle to the Gentiles as a lot of what we read is addressing the Jewish rejection of Gentiles (and carries a Jewish tone).
Why are you certain he was not a Gentile?
I have considered that Luke (who was not an Apostle) could have been a Hellenistic Jew.
I do agree that Luke wrote Acts. I apologize if my reply somehow indicated otherwise (that wasn't my intent).Even after he says that the LORD callled him to preach the Good News to the gentiles he still found opportunity to reason with Jews persuading some to accept Yeshuah as their Messiah. Paul never missed an opportunity to witness to dispersed Jews as led by the Holy Spirit.
Because i believe the Bible is the Complete Hebrew/Jewish Bible. I believe GOD would have wanted His Living Word (NT) recorded by Jewish men.
Well, we can agree that he was not one of the original Apostles, but that is no reason to conclude that he was a gentile. Do you not agree that the book of the Acts Of The Apostles was penned by Luke?
Would the LORD have chosen a gentile Christian to write an account of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit on Sukkot? With evidence of speaking in other languages and 3000 Jews praising GOD and all the other supernatural Acts of the Apostles.
How could Luke have written such a detailed account account of the going-ons unless as a Jew he was privy to the Acts of the Apostles. Isn't it likely (fact), that Luke was among the 120 Jewish disciples in the Upper Room? Isn't it likely that Luke himself experienced tongues like fire?
To me Luke was a Jewish journalist that was most gifted and chosen to record one of the most amazing events of human history. AMEIN !
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Romans 1:16-17
16 For I am not ashamed of the Good News, since it is God’s powerful means of bringing salvation to everyone who keeps on trusting, to the Jew especially, but equally to the Gentile.
17 For in it is revealed how God makes people righteous in His sight; and from beginning to end it is through trust/faith— as the Tanakh puts it, “But the person who is righteous will live his life by trust/faith.” (Habakkuk 2:4; Proverbs 3:5-6)
I live in Israel and, I'm not really a Jew, but the Family I come from has jewish background.
I'm not sure if Luke had one source. An issue with Paul being Luke's source for his Gospel is that Luke describes his source(s) as relating first hand knowledge of what they witnessed (Luke 1:2). This would exclude Paul.I tend to believe ( just my theory) that St. Paul was a source for much of what St. Luke wrote. I believe this is similar to the general view that St. Peter was the source for Gospel writer St. Mark.
The excellent movie: Paul, Apostle of Christ, is a part fictional, but faithfully true, portrayal of the relationship of St. Luke and St. Paul.
Paul, Apostle of Christ - Wikipedia
I'm not sure if Luke had one source. An issue with Paul being Luke's source for his Gospel is that Luke describes his source(s) as relating first hand knowledge of what they witnessed (Luke 1:2). This would exclude Paul.
I'd place Paul as a major source for Luke writing Acts. But I suspect the source(s) for his Gospel were those who were first hand witnesses (as this is Luke's claim and I see no reason to think Luke's claim an embellishment).I agree that Luke had more than one source and I really have little, if anything, to support my theory. To me it is plausible but hardly provable. Still, I feel it is a safe speculation that is not unfaithful.
I find it interesting that Paul considered himself an Apostle to the Gentiles as a lot of what we read is addressing the Jewish rejection of Gentiles (and carries a Jewish tone). That said, there are distinctly Gentile audiences at times.
I have considered that Luke (who was not an Apostle) could have been a Hellenistic Jew.
Why are you certain he was not a Gentile?
I've seen it argued that Luke was a priest. Seems to be a minority view though:
https://www.amazon.com/Luke-Priest-Authority-Author-Gospel/dp/0754662594
Interesting. I have never heard that argument.I've seen it argued that Luke was a priest. Seems to be a minority view though:
https://www.amazon.com/Luke-Priest-Authority-Author-Gospel/dp/0754662594
David Allen argues that Luke wrote Hebrews:
https://www.amazon.com/Authorship-Hebrews-American-Commentary-Theology-ebook/dp/B003U6Y3UE/ref=sr_1_2?crid=41994BLUV8JZ&keywords=lukan+authorship+of+hebrews&qid=1666555277&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIxLjA3IiwicXNhIjoiMS40MiIsInFzcCI6IjAuOTkifQ==&s=books&sprefix=Lukan+aut,stripbooks,99&sr=1-2
Perhaps Paul was mistaken, or it was an oversight, when he excluded Luke as one of the few fellow workers that were Jewish. I suppose that is possible.Recent posts about the primary Jewish sources that provided first hand accounts to Luke is sufficient reason that either Luke's mother, father (or both) were Jewish and that Luke considered himself Jewish. Think about it as more likely than being of non-Jewish gentile ancestry.
Sorry to have to create a thread here again, this is the only section I was able to create a new thread at, the other forums require "christian" designation, until a moderator changes that for me, I create here. You can move my threads to the right place later if its a problem.
Well basically, my question is are Christians just Jews with different beliefs? To me it seems that way. I live in Israel and, I'm not really a Jew, but the Family I come from has jewish background. But since Christianity came after Judaism, not before, and Christians are originally Jews who have simply believed Jesus was the Messiah, why arent they called Jews?
Christians still have the same Old testament which Jews follow and believe in, they still believe in heaven/hell, still believe in various Jewish related traditions and behaviors and so on. So I dont understand why arent Christians considered Jews. Christianity itself is originally Judaism except they accepted Jesus as the Messiah. So how did a new religion was created like that? It doesnt look very sensible.
Personally, I think Jews and Christians are almost the same thing. I even heard somewhere Jew+Jesus = Christian. Is that true?
Hope you all can please explain things, thanks.
I thought father Abraham had many sons and I am one of them and so are you so let’s just praise the Lord. At least that’s what they taught me to sing in elementary school.If they're Jews who believe in Jesus, then yes.
I, however, am not a son of Abraham, so in my case, no.
Galatians 3:26-29 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.If they're Jews who believe in Jesus, then yes.
I, however, am not a son of Abraham, so in my case, no.
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