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They are not guilty of any sin. But we all suffer the consequences of Adam's sin, which is physical death. So even after we repent we will still physically die someday. We are born with a human nature, not God's nature. Adam's children are born in Adam's image/nature.And if babies are conceived/born without sin, then they would have no reason to die.
That's not true. Everything has to be read in context. These were real human people with human natures and human problems.Nope. If you're going to take that viewpoint, then none of the Psalms are applicable to anyone other than the original Psalmist.
Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.
Do you suppose if you are witnessing the Gospel you may be asked this very question, what happens to babies when they die? That a very common question, so yes these discussions are good for the mission field.Does this debate increase anyone's faith? Does it set anyone more firmly on the mission of making disciples from all nations?
And then do what with it? In the end, "Lord, I won plenty of debates."
Is that it?
Thats why I feel once a child is old enough to know right from wrong, they lose their innocence and thus if they die go to hell. The problem has always been no one really knows at what age that takes place. Maybe it just depends on the child. Or maybe I'm wrong and will find out in heaven how it works/worked.As someone else once asked, how swift is that transition? There's no middle ground between Heaven and Hell, so there's no gradual change in outcomes. It seems that one instant a child is going to Heaven, regardless, and the next instant he's on his way to Hell. It's such a critical point in the life of a soul that is only gradually developing. The Bible also seems not to make any mention of this critical point.
I got mistreated by a lot of kids on my way to the age of accountability. I have a really hard time seeing them as innocent.
All minute old foetuses. Case closed.If it's hyperbole, please produce a righteous person.
Jesus said that whatever is born of flesh is flesh and whatever is born of spirit is spirit. Every seed bring forth of its kind. Speaking of the desire of that nature. That's why we need to be born again. Born of the Spirit, born of God. So that our nature or desires can be changed from the earthly to the heavenly. It's not what the baby did or did not do but what it represents. Condemnation by representation.
No, go read my previous postsSo babies are condemned if they die, despite not being capable of choosing to be Christian? Really?
Do you suppose if you are witnessing the Gospel you may be asked this very question, what happens to babies when they die? That a very common question, so yes these discussions are good for the mission field.
All minute old foetuses. Case closed.
David did NOT say he was sinful at birth, the NIV horribly perverts the underlying Hebrew putting words into David's mouth he never said.Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.
Nope. If you're going to take that viewpoint, then none of the Psalms are applicable to anyone other than the original Psalmist.
Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.
There is a conflation in this thread of several things that are not the same, different concepts.
"Righteousness" is imputed by God through faith. Nobody has his own inherent righteousness. Nobody is born righteous. Nobody becomes righteous by actions of his own devising. Righteousness is a pronouncement by God for the reason that He chooses.
If it's hyperbole, please produce a righteous person.
Yet the bible says sin is transgression of the law, not one is sinner for just being born.Condemnation by representation.
Then why did Jesus had to come by virgin birth? If it was not to bypass that process?Yet the bible says sin is transgression of the law, not one is sinner for just being born.
If no transgression takes place no sin exist. Therefore the newly formed fetus must commit a transgression for it to be a sinner.
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