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The goal posts are moving here, are foetus unrighteousness? Do they sin from the moment they exist? No, we all know that.It means what it says, there are no God seekers. Everyone, everyone, is conceived in sin, with a sin nature. It is not hyperbole, there is no reason to think it is.
First define righteous. We are justified by faith. How could a baby have faith?
Furthermore we are all born in sin, came to the world speaking lies.
He is talking about our human nature which incidentally, a baby has the same even though not expressed yet. However, this does not mean babies go to hell when they die. And going to heaven will not be on their own merits but merely because Christ died to save the world, and them not being on the age of accountability yet. But Christ is the One Who made the way. We are accountable for our sins and can and should repent of our sins.
As it is written:
Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.
You can't get an acorn from an acorn, therefore it's not a tree. I see most of your point, except that God will be the judge
Technically, an acorn is a tree by definition, but it's not in the life stage that people think of when they think of a tree. As for my point, I wasn't really trying to make a point. I just wanted to see how far you had resolved your position. I don't think that any position I've seen is very much based on scripture, so I'm looking for the one that seems the best thought-out, at least.
How could a baby have faith?
David wrote that, in a book of poetry, about himself during a time of grief of his own sin of murder and adultery.
Why would that apply to all mankind?
But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me,it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck,and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
So childen are "innocent" therefore they upon death that have not partaken of sin....
2. However they have until the age of accountability to become saved. Why? Because they are innocent indeed, but the evil seed is still there also. So once they are of age and die and are not saved, they go to hell.
romans 3:10 quotes "None is righteousness, no not one" but that would have to include the 5 minute old foetus as well as the murder. What does this mean, or is it a bad translation?
No one seeks God, no one understands. It just sounds like hyperbole.
You asked "Are babies unrighteousness?"romans 3:10 quotes "None is righteousness, no not one" but that would have to include the 5 minute old foetus as well as the murder. What does this mean, or is it a bad translation?
No one seeks God, no one understands. It just sounds like hyperbole.
No one seeks God, no one understands. It just sounds like hyperbole.
This thread is, frankly, what Paul was talking about:
For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ.
Does this debate increase anyone's faith? Does it set anyone more firmly on the mission of making disciples from all nations?
Ultimately, God's judgments of all souls will be filled with surprises.
More than 40 years ago I was at the same position with GreatistheLord. I did not stop to looking for the answer. My finding is as read in #90.
A big question for Christians:
The Bible is so thick. Some verses are likely contradictory to answer the whole questions of life.
What we have to do? Shall we follow Jesus or shall we follow Paul's or Peter's or the others'?
Based on John 16:12-15, the Spirit of truth is to hear Jesus' sayings, and so I follow Jesus sayings.
Are Paul's wrong? Are Peter's wrong? Are the others' wrong?
No.
Shall we avoid to debate this?
No. As far as our heart is pure and open for the Spirit of truth to open all the truth, let our debate illuminate one another..
Which is a very interesting and very unusual event and I would think that this would take more than just a superficial look to understand why and how this happened. I'm sure you would agree that this is out of the norm.In Luke 1:41, John the Baptist leaped in the presence of Christ, though he was only a fetus. It was a response to the Holy Spirit. It seems to me like an adult's response to the Holy Spirit in coming to faith, except without hearing the word. I have my doubts that faith is a strictly cognitive process.
We do not carry the sins of our forefathers.Being born into this material world we carry the curse of Adam, the sins of our forefathers.
Do you know the scripture that says before the youth knows to fix on good rather than evil?Being selfish or self-centered to the detriment of those around you is not righteous behavior.
And infants are nothing but selfish and manipulative.
We forgive them their sins, by choice.
But do they treat others well?
King David also made this very provocative statement. (paraphrased)In fact, King David had something to say about the youngest among us that many find pretty provocative .. see Psalm 51:5.
Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.I have found not one verse in the Bible that support an age of accountability. Moreover, following your logic, Christians should be the greatest supporters of abortion, since it is the greatest Heaven filling method. That, of course, is complete nonsense.
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