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ARE ALL THE 10 COMMANDMENTS IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT?

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Where in scriptures do you get that Jesus taught his apostles to assemble his people to worship on Sunday? I have never seen that, anywhere.
It does not need to be in the written word (Scripture). This teaching of Jesus has been handed down in his church's oral tradition for 2000 years.

2 Thessalonians 2:15
So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.


1 Corinthians 11:2
I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you.

2 Thessalonians 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is living in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us.



Sunday was commonly called the Lord's Day by the Christians who lived in the first century AD.

Revelation 1:10
I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet
 
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It does not need to be in the written word (Scripture). This teaching of Jesus has been handed down in his church's oral tradition for 2000 years.

2 Thessalonians 2:15
So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.


1 Corinthians 11:2
I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you.

2 Thessalonians 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is living in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us.
Mans traditions were never meant to replace God’s commandments. Jesus could not have been more clear about this point. He condemned this teaching. Not sure why anyone would use this arguements against one of God’s commandments.

Mark 7:7 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men—[d]the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do.”

9 He said to them, “All too well you [e]reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition.

Jesus teaches this path leads one to a ditch

Mat 15:3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the [b]commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people [c]draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”


10 When He had called the multitude to Himself, He said to them, “Hear and understand: 11 Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”

12 Then His disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?”

13 But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted. 14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.”

2 Thessalonians 2:15
So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.
This translation is adding to God's Word. It does not say word of mouth. Its saying to follow what is taught by word (God's word) or our letters (God's Word) not following man-made ideas especially over God's commandments. We are clearly told going outside of God's word is danger Isa8:20


Therefore, G686 G3767 brethren, G80 stand fast, G4739 and G2532 hold G2902 the G3588 traditions G3862 which G3739 ye have been taught, G1321 whether G1535 by G1223 word, G3056 or G1535 our G2257 epistle. G1992
Sunday was commonly called the Lord's Day by the Christians who lived in the first century AD.
Not according to the words of God. Does man know more than God? God claimed His holy day, both written and spoken, There is no other only a counterfeit that competes with God’s Truth.

Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.
Isa 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”

The seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord and Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath as it is THE holy day of the Lord thy God, meaning there is only one, the man-made Lords days people assigned to God when He said its for work and labors is not going to workout so well. It didn’t in the past

Eze 22:26 Her priests have [g]violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between the holy and unholy, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them.



Revelation 1:10
I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet
Amen, the Lords Day is the Sabbath, All other days according to God are for work and labors Exo20:9 thus saith the Lord. So if anyone was going to know when is the Lords Day wouldn’t it be the Lord Himself? He spoke what it is from His own lips no guessing needed, just faith to believe Him.

What happened after the Bible we are warned

Acts 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock

2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.

We need to get back to what the God of the Bible taught and kept for our example before its too late Rev18:4 Rev22:11
 
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Israel and the New Covenant.

God's covenants are with Israel. The New Covenant is also made with Israel.

The first covenant

He spoke to the Nation of Israel. He spoke the Ten Commandments, codified it with His own finger and added no more to them Deut5:22

Exo 34: 28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

Sadly the covenant was broken before Moses could deliver the written Testimony of God because there was a delay. So God re-wrote the exact words on stone again. Deut 10:4

This cannot be a clearer expression of God's will, written by God, spoken by God, His Testimony under His mercy seat where judgement and mercy will come together soon. Rev11:18-19

Because Israel did not continue in the covenant because they broke it. God keeps His promises and said He would not alter His words of the covenant Psa89:34 not a jot or tittle Mat5:18. So in His longsuffering for mankind, He writes a New Covenant, not established on the old promises of the people doing Exo 19:8 it is established on the better promises Heb 8:6 of what He will do. Heb8:10 Instead of writing His covenant in stone, He writes them in the hearts and minds of His people. Still made to Isarel.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

If we are God's people, we are in a Covenant relationship with God and heirs to the promises Gal 3:26-29. If we are in a Covenant relationship with God, we have His laws (His version) from written on stone to written in the heart 2 Cor3:3 God keeping His promises Psa89:34 Mat5:18

So what does Israel mean?

I think God gives us these answers....

Exo 4:22 Then you shall say to Pharaoh, 'Thus says the LORD: "Israel is My son, My firstborn.
Hos 11:1 "When Israel was a child, I loved him, And out of Egypt I called My son.

Israel is God's son, His firstborn. If Israel was literal it would mean Adam. Obviously its not literal as it represents God's people.

Who is the true Israel?

Mat 2:14 When he arose, he took the young Child and His mother by night and departed for Egypt,
Mat 2:15 and was there until the death of Herod, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying, "OUT OF EGYPT I CALLED MY SON."

Christ is the true fulfillment of Israel.

Christ is the Vine, we are the branches and Gentiles are grafted into Christ or Israel (God's people) through faith

Gal 3:7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.
Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


Rom 11:11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles
Rom 11:12 Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!
Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry,
Rom 11:14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them.
Rom 11:15 For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?
Rom 11:11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles.
Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches.
Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree,
Rom 11:18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.
Rom 11:19 You will say then, "Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in."
Rom 11:20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear.
Rom 11:21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either.

The only way we are part of God's Israel is through faith. Tuning out all of the noise of the world and following what God of the Bible says.
Jesus makes it so clear we need to be connected to the Vine. And of course those who have not rebelled against the new covenant Rom8:7-8 and keep His commandments as they have God's laws written in their hearts and minds, His version because He is God Exo31:18 Deut4:13, not mans edited version against the will of God Deut4:2 Psa89:34 Mat5:18 Isa56:6

Joh 15:1 "I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.
Joh 15:2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit.
Joh 15:3 You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you.
Joh 15:4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
Joh 15:5 "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.
Joh 15:6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.
Joh 15:7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you.
Joh 15:8 By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.
Joh 15:9 "As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love.
Joh 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.


1Jn 2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 2:5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.
1Jn 2:6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.


1Jn 3:24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

Lets enter into the New Covenant by faith. Having our Fathers laws written in our hearts and minds obeying Him and His Testimony which there is no One greater, through our love and faith.

These are the saints that will enter into the gates of heaven.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Lets get back to what the God of the Bible says before its too late Rev18:4 Rev22:11
 
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Glad we agree.

First problem.

“For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about; but not before God.

Abraham was Justified by Faith, shown by his works as faith without Works is dead. If you were to read Romans 1-3 you would know Paul is speaking about the mainstream preachers of that time that refused to Glorify God, "as God". It's important to consider all that is written in scriptures if we are seeking God's Truth. If we are only seeking justification, then there are a lot of verses that can be separated from the Bible to support it.

Abraham was accepted by God and Justified, not because he cut the loose skin off his penis, or brought a yearling calf to the Priest. But because he believed in God enough to be a "Doer" of His Sayings, and not a hearer only. Circumcision was a "Sign" of his humble obedience to God. But the reason for his obedience, was Faith, defined as unconditional Faith in God, shown by works".

In my understanding, it is important to consider Every Word of God, or those who HE inspires. Here is what God inspired Paul to teach to both Jew and Gentile.

Acts. 26: 19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision: 20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and "do works" meet for repentance.

2 Tim. 3: 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, "for instruction in righteousness": 17 That the man of God may be perfect, "throughly furnished" unto all good works.

Rom. 2: 9 Tribulation and anguish, upon "every soul of man" that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10 But glory, honour, and peace, to "every man" that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

We seem to be going in circles, you working to justify your religion, and me wanting to have discussions about what is actually written.

I think it's time for me to move on.
 
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Abraham was Justified by Faith, shown by his works as faith without Works is dead. If you were to read Romans 1-3 you would know Paul is speaking about the mainstream preachers of that time that refused to Glorify God, "as God".
1. Abraham faith was not from works. The scripture is specific to that end. There is no possible other interpretation. Abraham was justified ONLY by faith.

“For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about; but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.””
‭‭Romans‬ ‭4‬:‭2‬-‭3‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

2. James speaks of faith without works is dead to show that all who have saving faith will naturally produce faith. Paul, in Eph2:8-10 explains the path to salvation and does not include works. We do works FROM salvation NOT FOR salvation.

3. Romans books 1-3 are not about street priests but about a variety of teaching. Book 1 begins with Paul explaining why he is not ashamed of the gospel and finishes with the damnation if those who do not worship God. No one is without excuse. Book 2 begins with Paul giving a rendition of why God is not impartial and ends with an explanation of the Jews under the law. Book 3 once again begins explaining why all are guilty like there is no righteous person, not even one and finishes explaining justification by only faith apart from the law.

Maybe you should consider getting instruction from a church or pastor to help you understand scripture.
It's important to consider all that is written in scriptures if we are seeking God's Truth. If we are only seeking justification, then there are a lot of verses that can be separated from the Bible to support it.
All Christians are Christians because they have been justified but some Christians will not mature in their faith (see the parable of the soils). There are no Christians that have not been justified. Justification is important.
Abraham was accepted by God and Justified, not because he cut the loose skin off his penis, or brought a yearling calf to the Priest. But because he believed in God enough to be a "Doer" of His Sayings, and not a hearer only. Circumcision was a "Sign" of his humble obedience to God. But the reason for his obedience, was Faith, defined as unconditional Faith in God, shown by works".
Again, Abraham was justified ONLY by faith not by works. See the scripture above. His works came naturally from his saving faith.
All that repent and have saving faith will do works naturally. Also, keep in mind what Paul says about the formula for salvation.

“For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2‬:‭8‬-‭10‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

We are not saved as a result if works but by the grace of God through faith we are MADE in His workmanship. Scripture is consistent among scripture so there is very little tension. If you come across a lot of tension in your understanding then your understanding is wrong. You are running into a lot if tension because you are trying to tie works as necessary for salvation and that is not the case.



Absolutely.
A verse in an island. No commentary given.

We seem to be going in circles, you working to justify your religion, and me wanting to have discussions about what is actually written.
I’m not “justifying” my religion but refuting your argument using scripture. It seems that you have a personal understanding that lacks deep study and come from the totality of scripture. Every time you interpret scripture using single verses out of context error is inevitable.
I think it's time for me to move on.
Be blessed.
 
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