ARE ALL THE 10 COMMANDMENTS IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT?

FredVB · Jun 11, 2025

JLB777 said:
What’s your point?

I gave you the scriptures from the law about the required sabbath commandments of that day.

Do you believe the Church is required to observe this commandments?

Here they are again.

Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.’ ” So they laid it up till morning, as Moses commanded; and it did not stink, nor were there any worms in it. Then Moses said, “Eat that today, for today is a Sabbath to the Lord; today you will not find it in the field. Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will be none.”
Now it happened that some of the people went out on the seventh day to gather, but they found none. And the Lord said to Moses, “How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws? See! For the Lord has given you the Sabbath; therefore He gives you on the sixth day bread for two days. Let every man remain in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.” So the people rested on the seventh day. Exodus 16:23-30

And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Exodus 31:12-15

Then Moses gathered all the congregation of the children of Israel together, and said to them, “These are the words which the Lord has commanded you to do: Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh day shall be a holy day for you, a Sabbath of rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. You shall kindle no fire throughout your dwellings on the Sabbath day.”Exodus 35:1-3

Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.
Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died. Numbers 15:32-36

‘And on the Sabbath day two lambs in their first year, without blemish, and two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour as a grain offering, mixed with oil, with its drink offering— this is the burnt offering for every Sabbath, besides the regular burnt offering with its drink offering. Numbers 28:9-10

Do you believe the Church should observe these Sabbath commandments?

I do not. They were imposed on the early Israelites there who had come out of Egypt and were the most stubborn. In the time of grace with the gospel open to the gentiles we do not observe those things which are not after all in the ten commandments. But why dismiss the commandments too?

Studyman said:
God has a reason for creating His Sabbath for men. In part, it is to remind them that we are preparing in this life, for what comes after we die. Preparing food during the week, to partake of on Saturday is a perfectly reasonable and good way to keep our mind focused on what is important.

Ecc. 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. 14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

satan is against God's Sabbath for this very reason and uses religion to turn people away from HIS instruction, and towards worldly religious philosophies of men who despise and pollute God's Sabbaths.

For those who believe in the Christ of the Bible, who created all things including the Sabbath, they see what Isaiah is talking about.

Is. 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

For those "many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord, but live in lawlessness, they can not understand because we are saved by "Faith/belief", and they don't believe the Word's of the Christ.

In your attempt to convince others to reject and pollute God's Sabbath, you choose to cherry pick scriptures in order to shed a bad light on God's Commandment you have Judged as unworthy of your respect. It is a popular religious tactic, and effective for those who do not put on the "Armor of God".

But if you were being honest, you would also present these scriptures.

Ex. 21:12 He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death.

Ex. 21:15 And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.

Ex. 21:16 And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.

Ex. 22:19 Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death.

So I would ask you the question, "Do you believe the true Church of the Christ should lay with beasts? Smite their father? Kill other men? Steal men and sell them?

So why do you place yourself as a Judge of God's instructions? And more importantly, are you His Judge? Am I to listen to you and your judgments? Or should I "beware" of your religious philosophy and place my Faith in the Christ of the Bible?

I know you are simply furthering the teaching of modern, popular religions of this land. I am hoping you might consider all the warnings God and His Son gave you, specifically regarding religious men who call Jesus "Christ".

"The wages of sin is death."

Rom. 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

How did Paul know what sin was? How did the Commandment come? Was it not through Moses and Joshua, and the Prophets? And did they all not all Spiritually stone Paul to death?

This is why I posted the Word's of Jesus instructing you to eat His Blood, without which no man shall be saved. Where did you find His Blood and Flesh to eat? Of course it is Spiritual, and you are fine with that, until God's Laws and Sabbath become the topic. Then you are not so willing to accept the Congregation stoning a man with "stones" is the same Spiritual language this same Christ used when HE instructed you to eat His Flesh.

It would make for a fascinating discussion, but you are here on a Jihad against God's Holy Sabbath, so sadly, no real discussion will be had.

You do know that the Lamb of God has come, Yes? You do know that the Levitical Priesthood was a temporary Covenant God made with Levi "because of transgressions", Till the Seed should come, Yes?

So why would I still be advocating the Sacrificial "works of the Law" of atonement of the Order of Aaron, when Jesus is my High Priest after the Order of Melchizedek?

So then for this reason, in God's True Church, unblemished Lambs are no longer sacrificed on God's Holy Sabbaths.

But we still don't kill folks, we still don't steal, and we still remember to Keep God's Sabbath Holy. At least Jesus and His Disciples did.

Do i believe i can Judge some of God's 10 Commandments as irrelevant and unworthy of my respect? NO! I don't. God created His Sabbath for my sake, no doubt. He had a reason to create it for me, just as HE had a reason for creating the Law " Thou shall not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the grain", or "Thou shall not kill".

I know the reason because I placed my Faith in Him and HIS Righteousness, and didn't listen to all the "other" religious voices in the garden, who do Judge God and some of His Laws.

For these reasons, I choose not to Judge God's Sabbath as unworthy of my respect.

The only lamb who is killed for us is Jesus who came for the atonement meant for us. We do not need to contribute to Any killing with our choices, observing anything, now. Sabbath is still made for man, as Jesus said, not man made for the Sabbath. The Sabbath is to benefit us, that we draw toward God and not have work which distracts from that, anything secular or profane.

It is indeed Sabbath every seven days, observed jointly in community, and others observing it would not have some other day observed as the seventh, every seventh day for Sabbath is still in the ten commandments. Early Christian believers observed it too and at the earliest with the apostles there they gathered joining the Jewish congregation at the temple or in synagogues that were around.

Studyman · Jun 11, 2025

FredVB said:
I do not. They were imposed on the early Israelites there who had come out of Egypt and were the most stubborn. In the time of grace with the gospel open to the gentiles we do not observe those things which are not after all in the ten commandments. But why dismiss the commandments too?

The only lamb who is killed for us is Jesus who came for the atonement meant for us. We do not need to contribute to Any killing with our choices, observing anything, now. Sabbath is still made for man, as Jesus said, not man made for the Sabbath. The Sabbath is to benefit us, that we draw toward God and not have work which distracts from that, anything secular or profane.

It is indeed Sabbath every seven days, observed jointly in community, and others observing it would not have some other day observed as the seventh, every seventh day for Sabbath is still in the ten commandments. Early Christian believers observed it too and at the earliest with the apostles there they gathered joining the Jewish congregation at the temple or in synagogues that were around.

I think it's important to acknowledge that the reason why Jesus instructed the multitudes and Apostles to "hear the Pharisees and the Scribes" on the Sabbaths, is to hear Moses, not the Pharisees. He seemed pretty convincing to me that the Pharisees were not teaching the Truth about God, but Moses was. The Bible foretold of a time when the Priesthood would vanish, and we would all have God's Word in our hearts. And I don't think anyone can deny that we all have the Oracles of God in our own Homes, and therefore, "WE" now sit in Moses seat. And now "WE" can "Hear Moses and the Prophets" as Jesus instructed, without the the filter of a religion "Who professed to know God, but lived in disobedience to HIM.

After all, Jesus did say, "And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

BobRyan · Jun 11, 2025

JLB777 said:
What’s your point?

I gave you the scriptures from the law about the required sabbath commandments of that day.

Do you believe the Church is required to observe this commandments?

Here they are again.

Ex 16 -- BEFORE the TEN Commandments spoken at Sinai
WHILE Israel is in the dessert and under a Theocracy

JLB777 said:
Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.’ ” So they laid it up till morning, as Moses commanded; and it did not stink, nor were there any worms in it. Then Moses said, “Eat that today, for today is a Sabbath to the Lord; today you will not find it in the field. Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will be none.”
Now it happened that some of the people went out on the seventh day to gather, but they found none. And the Lord said to Moses, “How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws? See! For the Lord has given you the Sabbath; therefore He gives you on the sixth day bread for two days. Let every man remain in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.” So the people rested on the seventh day. Exodus 16:23-30

So if you were there in Ex 16 - you would live in rebellion at that point in Ex 16 or you would accept God's Word at that point?

Mark 2:27 according to Christ "Sabbath was made FOR Mankind"

Matt 4 "Mankind shall not live by bread alone but by every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God"

Both the Sabbath and mankind were made in Gen 1-2;3 and Ex 20;11 points directly at Gen 2;1-3 as the origin, scope and authority for the Sabbath

Is 66:23 declares that for all eternity after the cross - in the NEW Earth "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship"

BobRyan · Jun 11, 2025

JLB777 said:
‘And on the Sabbath day two lambs in their first year, without blemish, and two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour as a grain offering, mixed with oil, with its drink offering— this is the burnt offering for every Sabbath, besides the regular burnt offering with its drink offering. Numbers 28:9-10

Do you believe the Church should observe these Sabbath commandments?

1. No animal sacrifices in Gen 2:1-3 when the Sabbath was made as a holy day
2. No animal sacrifices in the Sabbath commandment of Ex 20:8-11 where vs 11 points right at Gen 2:1-3 - without animal sacrifices
3. No animal sacrifices in Is 66 :23 where we are told that for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship
4. No Animal sacrifices after the cross according to Heb 10:4-12

FredVB · Jun 15, 2025

"Animals were made to be our food". Not quite said in the Bible. The one thing God said was very good has Genesis 1:29 included in it, this is God's will, and God does not change. How many species of animals are there? They say over seven million. How many species do you eat from? Again, animals were made to be our food is not said in the Bible. Changes later from what God said to start with are accommodating human fallenness with their stubbornness and hard hearts. But God cares for animals, as their Creator. If you were right that they are made to be your food, you would be eating most of those species. But just how many species do you use for food?

The Bible shows the design for us, and Adam cared for the animals, and was the steward God meant him to be. Proverbs 12:10. Sacrifices which were done to animals God cared for were not to continue, they only had use to point out the need for Christ who came for the atonement that was needed.

Sabbath is just about rest from secular work in the world for coming to God more. This is what God provided for all of us.

FredVB · Jun 16, 2025

Jesus saying the Sabbath is made for man, meaning anyone, was showing it is for our benefit, so Jesus does not mean there are legal requirements that would be a burden. No animals have to be sacrificed, or other specific things being done, but real rest is in it for us, with being in Christ, in whom there is fulfillment. This fulfillment means there is no judgment to us who are in Christ, but that does not do away with Sabbath or any commandments, which show what God's will is for us, and it shows anything we need to repent from, as we are not to keep sinning.

FredVB · Jun 17, 2025

There are those who say the commandment is for you to have a day of rest every seven days, whichever day it is that works for you. But the commandment is not saying that. God meant there to be a corporate day of rest for all, that those in community would share, and that day God said is holy. So it could not be another day some others observe, there is the one seventh day of the week, for all. Nothing changed that in the Bible.

Canuckster · Jun 17, 2025

FredVB said:
There are those who say the commandment is for you to have a day of rest every seven days, whichever day it is that works for you. But the commandment is not saying that. God meant there to be a corporate day of rest for all, that those in community would share, and that day God said is holy. So it could not be another day some others observe, there is the one seventh day of the week, for all. Nothing changed that in the Bible.

So what do you think happens to those who don't rest on the seventh day, do they get thrown into the Lake of Fire?

FredVB · Jun 19, 2025

Canuckster said:
So what do you think happens to those who don't rest on the seventh day, do they get thrown into the Lake of Fire?

How do you conclude I would possibly be thinking that? Have I not mentioned grace from God? But God's will is greater than what God permits to us.

Canuckster · Jun 19, 2025

FredVB said:
How do you conclude I would possibly be thinking that? Have I not mentioned grace from God? But God's will is greater than what God permits to us.

So according to your teaching those who chose not to rest on the 7th day from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset may receive grace and not be thrown into the Lake of Fire

FredVB · Jun 21, 2025

Canuckster said:
So according to your teaching those who chose not to rest on the 7th day from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset may receive grace and not be thrown into the Lake of Fire

You seem to have assumptions, such as teachings I received and spread. I get my conclusions from the Bible and do not depend on a church or congregation for them. There is a sensible approach to the Bible. What is shown as God's will is God's will, and that does not change. When something shown does not correspond to what is shown before, what is shown earliest of God's will is God's will. The explanation, other than later lies, is that God made accommodations for those stubborn with hard hearts. So there were allowance for any divorces and any slaves. But we should know that is not what we would find from God's will.

In Christ there is not condemnation. What is the argument for? It may be a strawman argument, not a response to anything I really said. God does not will that any would perish. God gives opportunity to all, for the response in faith with repentance. God does not require living fully according to God's will, to be saved. But if there are those who will never look for God's will, are they saved? Permissions claimed are the accommodations generally, not corresponding to God's will, but God may permit such still as people in general do not readily change, so that many would still be saved, while there must be some change with repentance.

Canuckster · Jun 21, 2025

FredVB said:
You seem to have assumptions, such as teachings I received and spread. I get my conclusions from the Bible and do not depend on a church or congregation for them. There is a sensible approach to the Bible. What is shown as God's will is God's will, and that does not change. When something shown does not correspond to what is shown before, what is shown earliest of God's will is God's will. The explanation, other than later lies, is that God made accommodations for those stubborn with hard hearts. So there were allowance for any divorces and any slaves. But we should know that is not what we would find from God's will.

In Christ there is not condemnation. What is the argument for? It may be a strawman argument, not a response to anything I really said. God does not will that any would perish. God gives opportunity to all, for the response in faith with repentance. God does not require living fully according to God's will, to be saved. But if there are those who will never look for God's will, are they saved? Permissions claimed are the accommodations generally, not corresponding to God's will, but God may permit such still as people in general do not readily change, so that many would still be saved, while there must be some change with repentance.

So many people who choose not to rest from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset will be saved (not be thrown in the Lake of Fire).

FredVB · Jun 23, 2025

Well you are really set on talking about getting thrown into a lake of fire. Are you lots of fun at a party? Whatever is represented in the Bible, whether literal, which many things are in the Bible, or figurative, which lots of things are in the Book of Revelation, God's justice is absolutely fair, and God's mercy and grace made a way for the just consequence to be all borne already for those who with repentant faith are restored to God through Christ who came for them that way. No one in Christ, with that faith with repentance, is going to bear eternal consequence for their sins, Christ bore everything for that. But if you want to know the least you need to do, to avoid bearing the justice for sins yourself, which would still be fair, you do not have a focus on living for God, according to what God wants. No one will live perfectly in this life, but there should be change from sins we are made aware of. And knowing God's will for us about something clearly and deliberately not doing that is then sin. We should be made aware of that. So then there should be appropriate change. Who is redeemed who is without any repentance to turn from any sin?

Canuckster · Jun 23, 2025

FredVB said:
Well you are really set on talking about getting thrown into a lake of fire. Are you lots of fun at a party? Whatever is represented in the Bible, whether literal, which many things are in the Bible, or figurative, which lots of things are in the Book of Revelation, God's justice is absolutely fair, and God's mercy and grace made a way for the just consequence to be all borne already for those who with repentant faith are restored to God through Christ who came for them that way. No one in Christ, with that faith with repentance, is going to bear eternal consequence for their sins, Christ bore everything for that. But if you want to know the least you need to do, to avoid bearing the justice for sins yourself, which would still be fair, you do not have a focus on living for God, according to what God wants. No one will live perfectly in this life, but there should be change from sins we are made aware of. And knowing God's will for us about something clearly and deliberately not doing that is then sin. We should be made aware of that. So then there should be appropriate change. Who is redeemed who is without any repentance to turn from any sin?

Stay on subject. We're talking specifically about the Sabbath. This is the problem with Sabbatarian deceivers ....they can't stay on subject because it exposes them so they have to ramble on about everything and even mix in personal digs and attacks. This is about the consequence of believers choosing not to rest from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset. The reason why not a single Sabbatarian gives me a straight answer is because if they were to say, "No", then they would be admitting that it's not a requirement, but if they were to say yes, then they look like a bunch of judgmental fools... so they do what you do because the whole premise of their belief, (billions of people all over the need to rest Friday sunset to Saturday sunset to be saved), is a BIG LIE!

SabbathBlessings · Jun 23, 2025

The Sabbath is no different than not worshipping only God, or murdering our brethren. Deut 4:13 Sin is breaking God's law 1 John 3:4 James 2:11-12 Rom 7:7 and no one is saved in their sins Heb 10:26-30, we are saved from our sins Mat 1:21 God never isolated the 4th commandment from the other 9 commandments, in Scripture we break one of these, we break them all and have become a transgressor of God's law James 2:11-12 so if doesn't matter which commandment it is God does not treat them differently.

FredVB · Jun 26, 2025

Canuckster said:
Stay on subject. We're talking specifically about the Sabbath. This is the problem with Sabbatarian deceivers ....they can't stay on subject because it exposes them so they have to ramble on about everything and even mix in personal digs and attacks. This is about the consequence of believers choosing not to rest from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset. The reason why not a single Sabbatarian gives me a straight answer is because if they were to say, "No", then they would be admitting that it's not a requirement, but if they were to say yes, then they look like a bunch of judgmental fools... so they do what you do because the whole premise of their belief, (billions of people all over the need to rest Friday sunset to Saturday sunset to be saved), is a BIG LIE!

Making a personal dig? You just were speaking to include me as a big deceiver. That is a personal remark. Don't do that. Stay on topic? You were the one going on about getting thrown in the lake of fire. I was giving you a full answer, and straight enough. I do not consider that some can't follow it. There is salvation one way. I think there is a rule against saying it is other than through Christ by God's grace, and, it is with our repentant faith. One should not accuse others of saying it is something other. What is it not answering you? There was nothing deceptive from me. I believe things I can show from the Bible, and you disagree with them. That happens, in forums. But it is not me being deceptive and lying. And you use the word Sabbatarian. I use several words to describe myself, but that has never been one of those, just for observing rest on Sabbath that I remember, as it is mentioned in the Bible (a lot, actually). I'm not organized with anyone for that.

Canuckster · Jun 26, 2025

FredVB said:
Making a personal dig? You just were speaking to include me as a big deceiver. That is a personal remark. Don't do that. Stay on topic? You were the one going on about getting thrown in the lake of fire. I was giving you a full answer, and straight enough. I do not consider that some can't follow it. There is salvation one way. I think there is a rule against saying it is other than through Christ by God's grace, and, it is with our repentant faith. One should not accuse others of saying it is something other. What is it not answering you? There was nothing deceptive from me. I believe things I can show from the Bible, and you disagree with them. That happens, in forums. But it is not me being deceptive and lying. And you use the word Sabbatarian. I use several words to describe myself, but that has never been one of those, just for observing rest on Sabbath that I remember, as it is mentioned in the Bible (a lot, actually). I'm not organized with anyone for that.

I'm not going off subject, you are. You did not give an answer. Let me try again and a little more clearly on the same subject:
Do you think believers who choose not to rest on the 7th day from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset will not be saved because of it (thrown into the Lake of Fire)?

Canuckster · Jun 26, 2025

FredVB said:
I was giving you a full answer, and straight enough. I do not consider that some can't follow it

That's not an answer. It's not about you not considering that some can't follow it, it's about you considering the many who choose not to follow it, not because they can't follow it, but because they choose not to follow it because they believe it's not required.

FredVB · Jun 29, 2025

Canuckster said:
I'm not going off subject, you are. You did not give an answer. Let me try again and a little more clearly on the same subject:
Do you think believers who choose not to rest on the 7th day from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset will not be saved because of it (thrown into the Lake of Fire)?

I don't know! I'll be as clear as is possible and maybe you will get it. I don't know if there is really a lake of fire. Mention of such is in a book full of symbols. But I was clear, over and over, that salvation is in Christ. You don't have any righteousness of your own, no one does, to just come to God.

Canuckster said:
That's not an answer. It's not about you not considering that some can't follow it, it's about you considering the many who choose not to follow it, not because they can't follow it, but because they choose not to follow it because they believe it's not required.

So some just choose not to. So why do they choose not to? There's some reason. Why would you choose not to? Explain that. I do understand some think God does not want them to do that. But what can you do that would get you saved? You seem to think there is some minimum thing and you want to know what that is.

Canuckster · Jun 29, 2025

FredVB said:
I don't know! I'll be as clear as is possible and maybe you will get it. I don't know if there is really a lake of fire. Mention of such is in a book full of symbols. But I was clear, over and over, that salvation is in Christ. You don't have any righteousness of your own, no one does, to just come to God.

So some just choose not to. So why do they choose not to? There's some reason. Why would you choose not to? Explain that. I do understand some think God does not want them to do that. But what can you do that would get you saved? You seem to think there is some minimum thing and you want to know what that is.

No you're not being "clear over and over again". There are believers who choose not to rest from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset. I'm asking you will they not be saved because of this, and one thing that is very clear: you're refusing to answer. If someone was to ask me if believers choose to keep lying, or choose to keep murdering, will they not be saved because of this, I would give a one word answer: "Yes!" And I would provide the scripture using Christ’s own words to back it up. But you, nor any Sabbatarian, will give a simple one word answer to this question, for the reasons I already gave in a previous post.

I’d like to point out that I have no issue with believers observing the Sabbath. My only issue is when they push it on others as a requirement to be saved. I believe those who do so jeopardize their own salvation, something not to be desired upon anyone.

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