Are all Cavinists reformists?

[strengthinweakness]

Did I give a satisfactory answer?

Mlqurgw, for my current level of understanding, you answered me quite well. In other words, for the most part, as to the aspects of your post on which I am still not clear, I think that it is more due to a need to read and study further, on my part, than to a lack of adequate explanation on your part.

One question that I do have which you may be able to clarify though-- you wrote that you believe that "the Covenant of Grace does not supercede but was before the law and the other covenants." Were you saying this in response to my statements that God's covenant with Israel has been "superceded," and that his new covenant is with all believers in Christ, regardless of where they live, geographically? I wasn't necessarily trying to make a clear-cut "Covenant of Law/Covenant of Grace" distinction with these statements. I believe that God showed massive grace and mercy to Israel in the Old Testament simply by not destroying the nation entirely each time that the Israelites grumbled against Him, wandered from Him, or disobeyed Him in some other way. Grace was very much in evidence before the New Testament. As far as certain promises that God made to the nation of Israel concerning the actual land, geographically, though, I believe that these promises have been superceded, due to the nation of Israel, by and large, rejecting Christ as the Messiah. These physical, material promises which were made to Israel in the Old Testament now apply spiritually to all believers in Christ. This is my current view, pending futher study, but it is not based strictly on a "Covenant of Law/Covenant of Grace" distinction.

 

[strengthinweakness]

My apologies. A fault of mine is that I will often follow where a conversation goes. One of the major problems with the limited thread format is that reasonable discussion is frequently limited or cut off by conventional restrictions. that is one reason I prefer the interactive lecture format. No one is left wondering what someone meant. .



And certainly none taken.



I would like that. So, will you begin or shall I?
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I never thought otherwise. I was addressing those who think (and there are a lot of such here) that professing to know Christ and actually knowing Him are the same thing.

Keep on bringing the good questions and comments. I look forward to your posts.

Bob, if you would like to start a new thread on God's promises to Israel in the Old Testament, concerning the actual land, geographically, please feel free to do so, and I will post on it as time allows. My life has been a bit busier than usual, recently, and I sense that it may become even more busy in the weeks and months to come, so I may not always be able to respond to the thread as quickly and as often as I would like. I will respond as I can though, logistically speaking, and I will do so with Scripture and with Scriptural reasoning! May the discussion begin!

 

[Cajun Huguenot]

Bob, if you would like to start a new thread on God's promises to Israel in the Old Testament, concerning the actual land, geographically, please feel free to do so, and I will post on it as time allows. My life has been a bit busier than usual, recently, and I sense that it may become even more busy in the weeks and months to come, so I may not always be able to respond to the thread as quickly and as often as I would like. I will respond as I can though, logistically speaking, and I will do so with Scripture and with Scriptural reasoning! May the discussion begin!

I would be happy to join in such a discussion also.

In Christ,
Kenith

 

[Bob Moore]

I would be happy to join in such a discussion also.

In Christ,
Kenith

Alrighty then. Let's do it. I will make the OP presently.

 

[Bob Moore]

New thread. The Land. Does it belong to Israel?

 

[Elect]

Or are all reformists Calvinists or are the two totally unrelated?

As a Baptist here is my take on this.

I do not believe that for 1200 years God did not have any believers on this Earth. I believe that God has always had a remnant of believers from the time of Christ to the reformation and from the reformation until today. God moved on Luther and he started to see things that Rome was teaching was heresy. He wrote his 95th Thesis and nailed it on the door of the Catholic Church (I don't remember the name of the church right now) on October 31, 1517. I don't believe, for a second, that there were no true believers since the death of the Apostles until that moment.

Luther was trying to reform the Roman Catholic Church, which is like reforming a dead horse. Rome was never a true Church. Rome is THE APOSTATE CHURCH, if you ask me, which had a very tight hold on the people. The reformation was an awakening of God's truth of His sovereign grace and it loosened the grip of Rome on the people. Rome persecuted heretics and Christians, before, during and after the reformation, any one that differed from the teaching of Rome and the Pope.

Historically Baptist believed in, what has become known today as, the doctrines of grace. Not all Baptist churches believe in the Doctrines of Grace today. To see this, all you have to do is read the London Baptist Confession of 1644 and 1689.

If believing in the doctrines of Grace or the five points of Calvinism makes me a Calvinist, then I am a Calvinist. In most peoples mind that is all that it takes to be a Calvinist. Hey, that's fine with me. I am a Christian, a Baptist and a Calvinist and in that order.
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