Arbp Vigano's latest open Letter on 2024 election: crucial to vote!

[fide]

So, you believe that God disapproves of the Catholic Church, Vatican II, and we are all doomed for accepting it?

I believe God guides the Church which is infallible on morals and justice.

Pope Francis is a holy Pope; I have no doubt about it.

You seem to disagree and think Pope Francis serves Satan.
You seem to accept the former archbishop Vigano's position and actions.

No point in trying to change your mind, only God can do that. I'll pray for you.

You're putting too many words in my mouth and heart, Jim. I'll leave you to converse with yourself.

 

[fide]

What I think IS interesting is that the revival we are currently seeing in the Catholic Church is the revival that is happening now amongst traditional Catholics!

No synod needed. No need to sit and 'listen' ... for days and weeks and months on end ... to ongoing complaints.
Just let us have the Latin Mass ... and watch the revival in the Catholic Church continue to spread!!

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Amen to that, sister!

 

[JimR-OCDS]

You're putting too many words in my mouth and heart, Jim. I'll leave you to converse with yourself.

Just going by what you wrote in the post I responded to.

Never mind though, I'm going towards being silent for spiritual reasons.

God Bless!

 

[fide]

Just going by what you wrote in the post I responded to.

Never mind though, I'm going towards being silent for spiritual reasons.

God Bless!

Silence can enable truly life-changing encounters with Holy Truth.

 

[concretecamper]

The Vatican magisterium is PART of the Catholic Church.

Thank you for correcting yourself.

 

[concretecamper]

It all began when then Archbishop Vigano blindsided Pope Francis when the Pope made his first visit to the US.
Vigano set up an unauthorized meeting between the Pope and Kim Davis, a city clerk in Kentucky, who refused
to give a marriage license to a gay couple. Vigano even notified the US media about the meeting and they setup
outside the building. The Pope was unaware any of this was to take place. As a result, then Archbishop Vigano
was passed over for elevation to Cardinal and he was forced to retire at age 75. He then released a letter between
himself and the Pope to the public, which was illegal.

He even called Pope Francis a heretic.

Calls to mind the scripture that tells us to remove the plank from ones own eye.

 

[JSRG]

Are you completely confident that God approves the "new" Vatican II Catholic Church that has borne its latest fruit, Francis? Vigano is calling this latest fruit, using a term that is completely understandable in the light of history and Catholic Tradition, something unlike anything we have seen before, a church not in continuity with the past, and hence this "Bergoglian church". It seems Vigano has concluded that this man is "hardly a model Catholic for us to follow."

There is a considerable difference between saying Francis "is hardly a model Catholic for us to follow" (various popes of the past can be described as such) and Vigano stating he's not actually pope at all. The excommunication of Vigano was basically just a formality; he had essentially excommunicated himself already, which is why he didn't seem to care much about it.

What do you think of Arbp Fulton Sheen's description of the End Times of the Church? Bp. A. Schneider included much from Arbp Sheen concerning these troubled times in his book, Christus Vincit: Christ’s Triumph Over the Darkness of the Age (pp. 306-307):

Since you put the quote in a quote box, it gets vanished when I quote you, so here's the portion quoted from Sheen:

“[Satan] will set up a Counter-church, which will be the ape of the Church. It will have all the notes and characteristics of the Church, but in reverse and emptied of its divine content.... The False Prophet will have a religion without a cross. A religion without a world to come. A religion to destroy religions. There will be a counterfeit Church. Christ’s Church will be one, and the False Prophet will create the other. The false Church will be worldly, ecumenical, and global. It will be a loose federation of churches and religions, forming some type of global association, a world parliament of Churches. It will be emptied of all divine content; it will be the mystical body of the Antichrist. The Mystical Body on earth today will have its Judas Iscariot, and he will be the False Prophet. Satan will recruit him from our bishops.”

This quote is shared online as some kind of prophecy of the future, but is really taken out of context. In truth, Sheen's prediction failed to come true, because Sheen was talking about how communist Russia would be a key point in such a church. As he notes in a remark usually left off in these online quotes:

"The last century rejected the Church because it was infallible; it refused to believe that the Vicar of Christ would be immune from error when he spoke on matters of faith and morals as chief shepherd of Christendom. But the twentieth century will join the counterchurch because it claims to be infallible when its visible head speaks ex cathedra from Moscow on the subject of economics and politics, and as chief shepherd of the world communism."

Given that Russia dropped communism more than three decades ago, this seems rather unlikely to occur. Even if Russia at some point does decide to bring it back, the fact we're in the 21st century and this hasn't happened yet (Sheen said it would be in the twentieth century) shows that Sheen was simply wrong in his prediction. To be fair, he didn't portray this as some kind of prophecy from what I recall.

 

[fide]

There is a considerable difference between saying Francis "is hardly a model Catholic for us to follow" (various popes of the past can be described as such) and Vigano stating he's not actually pope at all. The excommunication of Vigano was basically just a formality; he had essentially excommunicated himself already, which is why he didn't seem to care much about it.



Since you put the quote in a quote box, it gets vanished when I quote you, so here's the portion quoted from Sheen:

“[Satan] will set up a Counter-church, which will be the ape of the Church. It will have all the notes and characteristics of the Church, but in reverse and emptied of its divine content.... The False Prophet will have a religion without a cross. A religion without a world to come. A religion to destroy religions. There will be a counterfeit Church. Christ’s Church will be one, and the False Prophet will create the other. The false Church will be worldly, ecumenical, and global. It will be a loose federation of churches and religions, forming some type of global association, a world parliament of Churches. It will be emptied of all divine content; it will be the mystical body of the Antichrist. The Mystical Body on earth today will have its Judas Iscariot, and he will be the False Prophet. Satan will recruit him from our bishops.”

This quote is shared online as some kind of prophecy of the future, but is really taken out of context. In truth, Sheen's prediction failed to come true, because Sheen was talking about how communist Russia would be a key point in such a church. As he notes in a remark usually left off in these online quotes:

"The last century rejected the Church because it was infallible; it refused to believe that the Vicar of Christ would be immune from error when he spoke on matters of faith and morals as chief shepherd of Christendom. But the twentieth century will join the counterchurch because it claims to be infallible when its visible head speaks ex cathedra from Moscow on the subject of economics and politics, and as chief shepherd of the world communism."

Given that Russia dropped communism more than three decades ago, this seems rather unlikely to occur. Even if Russia at some point does decide to bring it back, the fact we're in the 21st century and this hasn't happened yet (Sheen said it would be in the twentieth century) shows that Sheen was simply wrong in his prediction. To be fair, he didn't portray this as some kind of prophecy from what I recall.

Was the USSR ever "communist" in the theoretical/advertised version of it? The progression of the "antichurch" from the beginning (Cain) , which was and ever is of death for the righteous brother (Abel) of the Church of righteousness and Truth - that beginning work of evil has "progressed through many names over the centuries. Its essence remains the same. Fulton Sheen rightly saw the eschatological end times significance of Russia and the evil that overtook it; "communism" is only a passing temporal expression of the satanic antichurch of the father of lies. As did Our Lady of Fatima, revealing to our Pope at that time to Consecrate Russia, in specific detail which apparently has not been done to this day. I suspect that the time for simple obedience to God's will has passed, and we will see the bitter fruit of man's hardheartedness play out.

I recommend a slow and careful and prayerful listening to the Book of Revelation. In contrast to much reporting and interpreting these days, it is not "fake news." It is never too late to repent, believe and obey in the time remaining, as the "good thief" on the cross shows.